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From: Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com
On 9/24/2025 1:37 PM, None wrote:
> On Sep 24, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
> (Message-ID: <10b16k1$3p0ga$1@dont-email.me>):
>
>> On 9/24/2025 2:15 AM, None wrote:
>>> On Sep 23, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
>>> (Message-ID: <10ava3e$3agu7$2@dont-email.me>):
>>>
>>>> On 9/22/2025 7:38 PM, None wrote:
>>>>> On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
>>>>> (Message-ID:):
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 12:46:08 -0700, None wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
>>>>>>> (Message-ID:):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 09:47:38 -0700, None wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
>>>>>>>>> (Message-ID:<51k2dkp25k552cd68ir6p4luk488q1qia2@4ax.com>):
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 03:12:45 -0700, "Andrew"
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "JTEM" wrote in message news:10apq31$1vqea$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, but the Jews vehemently petitioned Pilate, specifically for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Him
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be crucified.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't believe it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems that the Romans, who invented the story, cast the hated
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jews as the bad guys.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But they were Jews themselves who wrote what happened..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Judaism was the main competition for the early Christian church, so
>>>>>>>>>> they tried to make "the Jews" look as bad as possible when they made
>>>>>>>>>> up their stories about Jesus.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In whose mind? Yours?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The believers in Jesus as the Messiah were all Jews in the beginning.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But then they branched off, theologically, leaving an emotional rift
>>>>>>>> between Jews and Messianic Jews. Refusal to follow Jesus as the
>>>>>>>> Messiah did not leave first-century Jews in Christians' good graces.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Theology is not of God, but of mans understandings. It is a false
>>>>>>> understanding because it stems from the mind of men who speculate on
who
>>>>>>> God
>>>>>>> is, and it is NOT definitive. Never depend on it as having full wisdom
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> knowledge. It is often misleading and serves to confuse, and for that
>>>>>>> reason
>>>>>>> many denominations err and there is separation and not a common bond.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To say "Christ is risen" is a theological statement in addition to
>>>>>> being an attempt at history.
>>>>>
>>>>> To whose way of thinking as there were over 500 witnesses of it. Plus to
>>>>> think that someone was trying to create history is foolish, for such
>>>>> attempts
>>>>> have been tried similar to that, but were always disproven, and or been
>>>>> discredited soon afterwards.
>>>>
>>>> The so-called "500 witnesses" is likely a latter embellishment added by
>>>> some scribe to "beef up" Paul's account, or Paul himself is just
>>>> storytelling. Nowhere is this supposed "mass apparition" ever mentioned
>>>> anywhere else, either elsewhere in the New Testament or in secular
>>>> sources, and none of the 500 are ever named, nor did any of them leave
>>>> any surviving accounts of their own individual experiences, or convey
>>>> those experiences to anyone else.
>>>>
>>>> As with the "crucifixion darkness," the appearances to 500 human beings
>>>> lacks contextual credibility, as it only gets mentioned in one single
>>>> source, when, in fact, it should have been mentioned in dozens of
>>>> independent sources if, in fact, it had happened.
>>>
>>> It was. It is mentioned by others in the NT. Most notable John, Matthew
>>> Luke,
>>> Mark.
>>>
>>> Paul was not an eyewitness of Jesus at that time. Paul saw him for the
first
>>> time on the road to Damascus
>>>
>>> 1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received,
>>> how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
>>>
>>> 1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day
>>> according to the scriptures:
>>>
>>> 1Co 15:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
>>>
>>> 1Co 15:6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of
>>> whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
>>>
>>> 1Co 15:7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
>>>
>>> 1Co 15:8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due
>>> time.
>>>
>>> Jesus then taught Paul in the desert for during a time of three years.
>>>
>>> Gal 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of
>>> me is not after man.
>>>
>>> Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taughtit, but by
>>> the
>>> revelation of Jesus Christ.
>>>
>>> Gal 1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews'
>>> religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and
wasted
>>> it:
>>>
>>> ***
>>>
>>> Gal 1:17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before
>>> me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
>>>
>>> Gal 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and
>>> abode with him fifteen days.
>>>
>>> Gal 1:19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's
>>> brother.
>>>
>>> Gal 1:20 Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie
>>> not.
>
> This was an interesting read. At first I thought you were writing a synopsis
> of one of his writings, but such does not appear to be the case. I have not
> studied his works, but I briefly reviewed some of the comments made by others
> who have their own views of what he wrote. Sadly it is difficult to comment
> on them since I would have to study up on Paine in order to know something
> about him, and it would have to be mainly the things written by his hand, not
> based on the comments of others, unless they were peer friends of his,
> personally.
>
> What little I read this morning, was a whole lot of things supposedly of what
> he said and thought, but it was clear that people cherry picked phrases that
> lent themselves to support their personal agendas. According to what you
> outlined it would seem that Paine had at best a shallow and limited
> understanding of the Bible, and virtually no personal knowledge of God.
>
> I will make a brief comment to each numeric point. LOL, hopefully brief.
>>
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