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From: Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com
On 9/25/2025 8:36 PM, None wrote:
> On Sep 25, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
> (Message-ID: <10b4fhn$k74m$1@dont-email.me>):
>
>> On 9/25/2025 5:16 PM, None wrote:
>>> On Sep 25, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
>>> (Message-ID: <10b43lk$gl7c$1@dont-email.me>):
>>>
>>>> On 9/24/2025 1:37 PM, None wrote:
>>>>> On Sep 24, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
>>>>> (Message-ID: <10b16k1$3p0ga$1@dont-email.me>):
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/24/2025 2:15 AM, None wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sep 23, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
>>>>>>> (Message-ID: <10ava3e$3agu7$2@dont-email.me>):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/22/2025 7:38 PM, None wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
>>>>>>>>> (Message-ID:):
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 12:46:08 -0700, None wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> (Message-ID:):
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 09:47:38 -0700, None wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Message-ID:<51k2dkp25k552cd68ir6p4luk488q1qia2@4ax.com>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 03:12:45 -0700, "Andrew"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "JTEM" wrote in message news:10apq31$1vqea$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, but the Jews vehemently petitioned Pilate, specifically
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be crucified.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't believe it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems that the Romans, who invented the story, cast the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jews as the bad guys.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But they were Jews themselves who wrote what happened..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Judaism was the main competition for the early Christian church,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they tried to make "the Jews" look as bad as possible when they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up their stories about Jesus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In whose mind? Yours?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The believers in Jesus as the Messiah were all Jews in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> beginning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But then they branched off, theologically, leaving an emotional
>>>>>>>>>>>> rift
>>>>>>>>>>>> between Jews and Messianic Jews. Refusal to follow Jesus as the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Messiah did not leave first-century Jews in Christians' good
>>>>>>>>>>>> graces.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Theology is not of God, but of mans understandings. It is a false
>>>>>>>>>>> understanding because it stems from the mind of men who speculate
on
>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>> God
>>>>>>>>>>> is, and it is NOT definitive. Never depend on it as having full
>>>>>>>>>>> wisdom
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge. It is often misleading and serves to confuse, and for
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> reason
>>>>>>>>>>> many denominations err and there is separation and not a common
>>>>>>>>>>> bond.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To say "Christ is risen" is a theological statement in addition to
>>>>>>>>>> being an attempt at history.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To whose way of thinking as there were over 500 witnesses of it. Plus
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> think that someone was trying to create history is foolish, for such
>>>>>>>>> attempts
>>>>>>>>> have been tried similar to that, but were always disproven, and or
>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>> discredited soon afterwards.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The so-called "500 witnesses" is likely a latter embellishment added
by
>>>>>>>> some scribe to "beef up" Paul's account, or Paul himself is just
>>>>>>>> storytelling. Nowhere is this supposed "mass apparition" ever
mentioned
>>>>>>>> anywhere else, either elsewhere in the New Testament or in secular
>>>>>>>> sources, and none of the 500 are ever named, nor did any of them leave
>>>>>>>> any surviving accounts of their own individual experiences, or convey
>>>>>>>> those experiences to anyone else.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As with the "crucifixion darkness," the appearances to 500 human
beings
>>>>>>>> lacks contextual credibility, as it only gets mentioned in one single
>>>>>>>> source, when, in fact, it should have been mentioned in dozens of
>>>>>>>> independent sources if, in fact, it had happened.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was. It is mentioned by others in the NT. Most notable John, Matthew
>>>>>>> Luke,
>>>>>>> Mark.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Paul was not an eyewitness of Jesus at that time. Paul saw him for the
>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>> time on the road to Damascus
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also
>>>>>>> received,
>>>>>>> how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day
>>>>>>> according to the scriptures:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1Co 15:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1Co 15:6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at
once;
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen
>>>>>>> asleep.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1Co 15:7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1Co 15:8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of
>>>>>>> due
>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jesus then taught Paul in the desert for during a time of three years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gal 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was
preached
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> me is not after man.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taughtit, but
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> revelation of Jesus Christ.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gal 1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews'
>>>>>>> religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and
>>>>>>> wasted
>>>>>>> it:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ***
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gal 1:17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles
>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>> me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gal 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter,
and
>>>>>>> abode with him fifteen days.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gal 1:19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's
>>>>>>> brother.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gal 1:20 Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I
>>>>>>> lie
>>>>>>> not.
>>>>>
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