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From: Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com
On 9/26/2025 1:09 AM, None wrote:
> On Sep 25, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
> (Message-ID: <10b5635$ou51$2@dont-email.me>):
>
>> On 9/25/2025 8:36 PM, None wrote:
>>> On Sep 25, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
>>> (Message-ID: <10b4fhn$k74m$1@dont-email.me>):
>>>
>>>> On 9/25/2025 5:16 PM, None wrote:
>>>>> On Sep 25, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
>>>>> (Message-ID: <10b43lk$gl7c$1@dont-email.me>):
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/24/2025 1:37 PM, None wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
>>>>>>> (Message-ID: <10b16k1$3p0ga$1@dont-email.me>):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/24/2025 2:15 AM, None wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 23, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
>>>>>>>>> (Message-ID: <10ava3e$3agu7$2@dont-email.me>):
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/22/2025 7:38 PM, None wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> (Message-ID:):
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 12:46:08 -0700, None wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Message-ID:):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 09:47:38 -0700, None wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Message-ID:<51k2dkp25k552cd68ir6p4luk488q1qia2@4ax.com>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 03:12:45 -0700, "Andrew"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "JTEM" wrote in message news:10apq31$1vqea$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, but the Jews vehemently petitioned Pilate,
specifically
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be crucified.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't believe it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems that the Romans, who invented the story, cast the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jews as the bad guys.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But they were Jews themselves who wrote what happened..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Judaism was the main competition for the early Christian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> church,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they tried to make "the Jews" look as bad as possible when
they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up their stories about Jesus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In whose mind? Yours?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The believers in Jesus as the Messiah were all Jews in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beginning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then they branched off, theologically, leaving an emotional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rift
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between Jews and Messianic Jews. Refusal to follow Jesus as the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Messiah did not leave first-century Jews in Christians' good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graces.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Theology is not of God, but of mans understandings. It is a false
>>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding because it stems from the mind of men who speculate
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> God
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is, and it is NOT definitive. Never depend on it as having full
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wisdom
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge. It is often misleading and serves to confuse, and for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason
>>>>>>>>>>>>> many denominations err and there is separation and not a common
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bond.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To say "Christ is risen" is a theological statement in addition to
>>>>>>>>>>>> being an attempt at history.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> To whose way of thinking as there were over 500 witnesses of it.
>>>>>>>>>>> Plus
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> think that someone was trying to create history is foolish, for
such
>>>>>>>>>>> attempts
>>>>>>>>>>> have been tried similar to that, but were always disproven, and or
>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>> discredited soon afterwards.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The so-called "500 witnesses" is likely a latter embellishment added
>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>> some scribe to "beef up" Paul's account, or Paul himself is just
>>>>>>>>>> storytelling. Nowhere is this supposed "mass apparition" ever
>>>>>>>>>> mentioned
>>>>>>>>>> anywhere else, either elsewhere in the New Testament or in secular
>>>>>>>>>> sources, and none of the 500 are ever named, nor did any of them
>>>>>>>>>> leave
>>>>>>>>>> any surviving accounts of their own individual experiences, or
convey
>>>>>>>>>> those experiences to anyone else.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As with the "crucifixion darkness," the appearances to 500 human
>>>>>>>>>> beings
>>>>>>>>>> lacks contextual credibility, as it only gets mentioned in one
single
>>>>>>>>>> source, when, in fact, it should have been mentioned in dozens of
>>>>>>>>>> independent sources if, in fact, it had happened.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It was. It is mentioned by others in the NT. Most notable John,
>>>>>>>>> Matthew
>>>>>>>>> Luke,
>>>>>>>>> Mark.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Paul was not an eyewitness of Jesus at that time. Paul saw him for
the
>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>> time on the road to Damascus
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also
>>>>>>>>> received,
>>>>>>>>> how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day
>>>>>>>>> according to the scriptures:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1Co 15:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1Co 15:6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at
>>>>>>>>> once;
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen
>>>>>>>>> asleep.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1Co 15:7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1Co 15:8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out
of
>>>>>>>>> due
>>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jesus then taught Paul in the desert for during a time of three
years.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gal 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was
>>>>>>>>> preached
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> me is not after man.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taughtit,
but
>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> revelation of Jesus Christ.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gal 1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the
>>>>>>>>> Jews'
>>>>>>>>> religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and
>>>>>>>>> wasted
>>>>>>>>> it:
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