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   From: sam@spade.invalid   
      
   Attila  wrote:   
   > On Mon, 15 Dec 2025 22:00:48 -0800, Samuel Spade   
   >  in alt.atheism with message-id   
   > <49s1kkhgk0dl7u3a6aaati0t98fjfaiuet@4ax.com> wrote:   
   >   
   > >Governor Swill  wrote:   
   > >> On Mon, 15 Dec 2025 08:27:34 -0500, Attila  wrote:   
   > >>   
   > >> >>     Not according to the Constitution and applicable federal law and   
   > >> >>regulation. They are subject to a deportation hearing.   
   > >> >   
   > >> >Which establishes their illegal status.  Which can be done   
   > >> >by requesting their papers.   
   > >>   
   > >> That's illegal.  A hearing must be held per the law and per our most   
   > >> cherished rights in the BoR.   
   > >   
   > >US citizens are not required to carry, or even own, identification or   
   > >citizenship documentation.  Even if they are brown and speak no english.   
   >   
   >   
   > They should if that have it.  Just like a DL.   
   >   
   > It would be idiotic not to do so.   
      
      
   Your opinion aside, Americans have every right to not carry   
   identification.  You would turn it into a police state where everyone is   
   obliged to present their papers to every minor official who demands it.   
      
   I knew a guy in his 40s who never had a social security number before.   
   He was homeless by choice.  Freeborn Americans are not required to   
   participate in the system, and a few don't.   
      
   > >   
   > >Many citizens were never even issued a birth certificate. The most   
   > >common reason is home birth, with the birth never being registered.   
   > >Doesn't make them non-citizens.  County courthouses have burned down   
   > >too, destroying people's birth records.   
   >   
   > Those people have never had a DL.   
   >   
   > When I applied for a passport I discovered I did not have a   
   > registered birth certificate due to lax enforcement in the   
   > small town in which I was born.  I followed the procedure   
   > used by my home state to get a delayed berth certificate by   
   > providing the requested documentation.  As I recall these   
   > were needed from three unrelated sources.  I received my   
   > certificate in due course, applied for and received my   
   > passport.   
      
      
   The county courthouse burned down where my grandfather was born.  He   
   went around with the SSA for years trying to convince them he was 65.   
   Who knows what would have happened if ICE demanded he prove his   
   citizenship, maybe he would have died in Sudan.   
      
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