XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, sci.skeptic, alt.global-warming   
   From: Wilson@nowhere.invalid   
      
   On 12/20/2025 7:21 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   > On 12/20/25 9:49 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >> On 12/18/2025 3:05 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>> On 12/18/25 6:16 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >>>> On 12/18/2025 12:42 AM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>>> On 12/17/25 4:53 PM, Dude wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 12/17/2025 12:38 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 15:07:11 -0500, Wilson    
   >>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Twenty-six state attorneys general are asking the Justice   
   >>>>>>>> Department to   
   >>>>>>>> investigate whether two climate-focused nonprofit groups failed to   
   >>>>>>>> disclose lobbying for China.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> A letter sent Tuesday by the attorneys general cited “substantial   
   >>>>>>>> evidence” that Energy Foundation China (EFC) and the Center for   
   >>>>>>>> Climate   
   >>>>>>>> Integrity (CCI) “have acted within the United States as   
   >>>>>>>> unregistered   
   >>>>>>>> agents of foreign principals.”   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> As if all that, true or not, has anything to do with us climate   
   >>>>>>> change   
   >>>>>>> problems.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>> It has a lot to do with a conspiracy by China to cause panic in   
   >>>>>> Western countries with a global warming hoax, at the same time   
   >>>>>> promoting a road and belt initiative which will increase global   
   >>>>>> warming.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> like what do u think the chinese gain by spreading a "hoax"?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> What an incredibly naive question.   
   >>>   
   >>> seriously: explain ya dingus   
   >>>   >   
   >>>> oh no the   
   >>>>> chinese are profiting by selling us solar panels? and bruh evs are   
   >>>>> fucking sweet i'm never using an ice car as a daily again, wish we   
   >>>>> had the chinese ones here to kick up the competition a notch   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> also ... like dude. the chinese have like a 90% acceptance rate of   
   >>>>> climate change. how is that even spreading a hoax?   
   >>>> 90% of the Chinese will say they believe whatever they're told to   
   >>>> say, much like here.   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> u ever even met anyone from china? they are people too you know...   
   >>> some of them highly educated even...   
   >>>   
   >>> heck, 60% of chinese believe they are *personally* experiencing   
   >>> changes due to climate,   
   >>>   
   >>> so if ur claiming the CCP is spreading the climate change to hoax   
   >>> literally everyone, including it's own population too: what's their   
   >>> motivation there???   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> After the USSR folded, they declassified a ton of documents. Some of   
   >> which included their operation to gin up sentiment by paying groups to   
   >> oppose nuclear power. The obvious goal was to slow down or stop new   
   >> plants being built.   
   >>   
   >> China has long since surpassed the US in the amount of electrical   
   >> power generated. Much of it from coal of course.   
   >>   
   >> Anything they can do to hinder US power generation is to their long   
   >> term benefit.   
   >   
   > i think ur more of a threat to the us progression than china bro   
   >   
   >>   
   >> Do I have to explain how that works too?   
   >   
   > i'm sorry so previously the enemy was repressing nuclear to prevent   
   > progress, and now they're repressing coal to prevent progress???   
   >   
   > that's not critical thinking, that's fucking mental gymnastic there buddy   
   >   
      
   I'm not against solar and most other non-combustion sources. I think   
   fission is the best solution in the immediate future for the generation   
   of very large amounts of electricity as long as the waste and radiation   
   issues can be dealt with. And it seems like they've done that pretty well.   
      
   But shit-canning all combustion generation right now will be harmful to   
   the environment if doing so degrades living standards to the point where   
   people are concerned about their next meal is coming from. When that   
   happens concern about the environment disappears.   
      
   China wants to win. They want to become the next global hegemon and they   
   believe it's their destiny. And they are focusing on the long term   
   rather than the next 5, 10 or 20 years.   
      
   Look at what's happened in Germany in particular. They shut down their   
   nuclear plants. They don't allow for fracking to get their own gas, and   
   were relying on Russia until that became inconvenient. And now their   
   manufacturing base is being destroyed. It can't compete with China or   
   the US anymore.   
      
   That will happen in the US as well if we shut down all combustion   
   generation before we can replace it.   
      
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