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   bryant to All   
   Authorities Reveal Suspicions from Stran   
   29 Sep 24 04:53:36   
   
   XPost: alt.law-enforcement, ok.general, sac.politics   
   XPost: talk.politics.guns   
   From: bryant@msn.com   
      
   Jeremie Wilson has been the sheriff in Jefferson County, Oklahoma,   
   since 2017 — and worked in law enforcement since 2005 and served in the   
   military before that — and he says he’s never seen anything quite like   
   the death of 19-year-old Noah Presgrove.   
      
   Wilson was one of the first authorities on the scene early on Sept. 4   
   after two 911 callers reported seeing Noah's body while driving down   
   Highway 81 just outside of Terral, Oklahoma.   
      
   “It just — it looked awful odd,” the first caller, who identified   
   himself only as Tyler, told the dispatcher, according to audio of the   
   call that was released to PEOPLE.   
      
   Undersheriff Jimmy Williams was soon sent out; Sheriff Wilson joined   
   him not long after, along with members of Terral’s volunteer fire   
   department, who helped secure the scene.   
      
   Nearly a year later, it remains unclear how Noah died.   
      
   His autopsy report, obtained by PEOPLE in May, states that he was   
   killed by “multiple blunt force injuries” — including serious head   
   wounds — but that the cause of those injuries is “undetermined.”   
      
   A state police probe is ongoing. Authorities said in May that they   
   weren't looking into the death "as a murder.”   
      
   Related: 911 Calls Reveal How Oklahoma Teen Noah Presgrove's Body Was   
   Found by Highway: 'Looked Awful Odd'   
      
   Some key details have been publicly confirmed including that, before he   
   died, Noah was partying with friends over the Labor Day weekend not far   
   from where his body was found on Highway 81.   
      
   But the lack of answers, more than 10 months later, has roiled the   
   rural community where Noah lived and fueled speculation online.   
      
   Vigils and protests have been held. A banner hung outside a business in   
   neighboring Duncan, Oklahoma, urges passersby to speak out. “YOU KNOW   
   WHAT HAPPENED TO ME SO WHY DON’T YOU HELP?” it declares alongside a   
   photo of Noah in his high school football uniform.   
      
   Noah’s family has taken it upon themselves to also dig for clues in a   
   mystery that both law enforcement and outside experts agree appears   
   confounding.   
      
   Did he die accidentally or in a crime? What happened to his clothes —   
   and what brought him to the side of the road before dawn that day?   
      
   “What I saw from the very beginning, I personally did not believe this   
   was a hit-and-run,” Wilson, the Jefferson County sheriff, said in an   
   interview, while also making clear that he was speaking only in his   
   capacity as a first responder in September because the state   
   immediately assumed jurisdiction, given that the death was reported on   
   the highway.   
      
   What Wilson saw that morning was this, he says: Noah was naked and on   
   his back, with “a couple of teeth laying next to his body.” According   
   to his autopsy, he wore only a pair of mismatched shoes, and a pair of   
   white printed shorts were nearby that showed no "observable damage."   
      
   “There was blood on the scene, but not as much as there should have   
   been, let me put it that way,” Wilson says. “Even if you were hit by a   
   passenger car by highway speeds that night … there should have been a   
   lot more blood.”   
      
   What’s more, he says, "There was not a lot of road rash like he slid,   
   he got hit at 65 miles an hour … That was not the case.”   
      
   Also odd, according to Wilson, “There was no vehicular parts.”   
      
   Related: All the Unanswered Questions Around Oklahoma Teen Noah   
   Presgrove's Death   
      
   “If you hit a deer, which deer get hit out here all the time, always   
   deer and cows — I don't care if you got hit by a semi, there is a piece   
   of a fender. There is a piece of the under fender. … There is a   
   headlight, there is a mirror, there is always something.”   
      
   Despite searching through “half a mile of the ditches,” investigators   
   “found nothing,” Wilson says.   
      
   Authorities did recover some, but not all, of a silver chain that Noah   
   often wore. Wilson calls that another oddity.   
      
   “This whole situation didn’t sit well with me,” he says, noting the   
   unusual inability of the scene itself to provide more insight.   
      
   “We've had people hit before, and we can recreate the scene and make it   
   make sense, make it fill the gaps,” the sheriff says. “We've had   
   unattended deaths, suicides that the evidence always gives us the   
   facts. We can always backtrack and recreate 99% of the scene.”   
      
   But not here.   
      
   Sarah Stewart, a spokesperson for Oklahoma’s Department of Public   
   Safety, has said that the probe continues into Noah’s death and, citing   
   “standard procedure,” declined to “release documents or information” on   
   the case until the conclusion of the investigation.   
      
   Undersheriff Williams, in a separate interview, says he only alerted   
   the fire department for their initial assistance on Sept. 4 rather than   
   put out a broader alert that would have summoned more law enforcement   
   and potentially created chaos. “I didn't want a mad house down there,”   
   he says.   
      
   In addition to the firefighters on the scene, as well as members of the   
   Oklahoma Highway Patrol, some locals were also present for a time,   
   according to Wilson. Noah’s best friend, Jack Newton, was among them as   
   was Jack’s dad, Caleb.   
      
   Jack tells PEOPLE that he basically stumbled upon the scene that   
   morning while he was heading out to go fishing with his father and   
   grandfather. He stopped when he saw a semi-truck on the road by Noah:   
   “I saw lights so I started slowing down. … I could see Noah's body in   
   the headlights out of the truck.”   
      
   Tyler Hardy was one of the two 911 callers that morning and remained on   
   the scene after reporting Noah’s body. Hardy says the truck driver, the   
   other caller, returned and waited as well.   
      
   “When Jack pulled up, he walked to the body and I walked over and asked   
   him if he knew who it was,” Hardy says, “and then I pulled him away   
   from the body because he's talking about being his best friend.”   
      
   Like the sheriff, Hardy says “there really wasn't blood there.”   
      
   He describes seeing Noah’s body in a slightly different posture than   
   Wilson did (a discrepancy that appeared in other interviews as well).   
      
   “It was, I’m not going to say the fetal position, because it wasn't,   
   but his legs were bent and his back was towards the road," Hardy says.   
   "His legs were towards the ditch, and his head was kind of just laid   
   there right along ... His whole body was laid along the white line, but   
   he was laying on what would've been his right side.”   
      
   Around 7 a.m., Noah’s big brother Dailen Presgrove, a teacher, got the   
   call that he’d been found dead — and Dailen and their dad, Victor   
   Presgrove, headed out along Highway 81 to go to the scene.   
      
   “We didn’t know exactly where he was so as we were going, we’d go up   
   this hill not knowing if we were about to see Noah on the side of the   
   road,” Dailen told PEOPLE in a previous interview. “That drive felt   
   like a year.”   
      
   The months since have been difficult, too.   
      
   “This is not some Lifetime movie for us,” says Noah’s cousin Ashley   
   Chadwick. “This is an everyday reoccurrence. I feel like we probably   
   have not properly grieved, because it's been such this ongoing cycle of   
   trying to figure this out.”   
      
      
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