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      XPost: alt.fan.states.kentucky, sac.politics, talk.politics.guns       XPost: talk.politics.medicine       From: butchers@obamacare.com              Natasha Miller says she was getting ready to do her job preserving       donated organs for transplantation when the nurses wheeled the donor       into the operating room.              She quickly realized something wasn’t right. Though the donor had been       declared dead, he seemed to her very much alive.              “He was moving around — kind of thrashing. Like, moving, thrashing       around on the bed,” Miller told NPR in an interview. “And then when we       went over there, you could see he had tears coming down. He was crying       visibly.”              The donor’s condition alarmed everyone in the operating room at Baptist       Health hospital in Richmond, Ky., including the two doctors, who       refused to participate in the organ retrieval, she says.              “The procuring surgeon, he was like, ‘I’m out of it. I don’t want to       have anything to do with it,’ ” Miller says. “It was very chaotic.       Everyone was just very upset.”              Miller says she overheard the case coordinator at the hospital for her       employer, Kentucky Organ Donor Affiliates (KODA), call her supervisor       for advice.              “So the coordinator calls the supervisor at the time. And she was       saying that he was telling her that she needed to ‘find another doctor       to do it’ – that, ‘We were going to do this case. She needs to find       someone else,’ ” Miller says. “And she’s like, ‘There is no one else.’       She’s crying — the coordinator — because she’s getting yelled at.”              "Everybody's worst nightmare"       The organ retrieval was canceled. But some KODA workers say they later       quit over the October 2021 incident, including another organ       preservationist, Nyckoletta Martin.              “I’ve dedicated my entire life to organ donation and transplant. It’s       very scary to me now that these things are allowed to happen and       there’s not more in place to protect donors,” says Martin.              Martin was not assigned to the operating room that day, but she says       she thought she might get drafted. So she started to review case notes       from earlier in the day. She became alarmed when she read that the       donor showed signs of life when doctors tried to examine his heart, she       says.              “The donor had woken up during his procedure that morning for a cardiac       catheterization. And he was thrashing around on the table,” Martin       says.              Cardiac catheterization is performed on potential organ donors to       evaluate whether the heart is healthy enough to go to a person in need       of a new heart.              Martin says doctors sedated the patient when he woke up and plans to       recover his organs proceeded.              KODA officials downplayed the incident afterwards, according to Martin.       She was dismayed at that, she says.              “That’s everybody’s worst nightmare, right? Being alive during surgery       and knowing that someone is going to cut you open and take your body       parts out?” Martin says. “That’s horrifying.”              The patient       Donna Rhorer of Richmond, Kentucky, told NPR that her 36-year-old       brother, Anthony Thomas “TJ” Hoover II, was the patient involved in the       case. He was rushed to the hospital because of a drug overdose, she       says.              Rhorer was at the hospital that day. She says she became concerned       something wasn’t right when TJ appeared to open his eyes and look       around as he was being wheeled from intensive care to the operating       room.              “It was like it was his way of letting us know, you know, ‘Hey, I’m       still here,’ ” Rhorer told NPR in an interview.              But Rhorer says she and other family members were told what they saw       was just a common reflex. TJ Hoover now lives with Rhorer, and she       serves as his legal guardian.              The general outline of the incident was disclosed in September by a       letter Nyckoletta Martin wrote to the House Energy and Commerce       Committee, which held a hearing investigating organ procurement       organizations. She later provided additional details about the case to       NPR.              “Several of us that were employees needed to go to therapy. It took its       toll on a lot of people, especially me,” Martin told NPR.              Investigations underway       The Kentucky state attorney general’s office wrote in a statement to       NPR that investigators are “reviewing” the allegations.              The federal Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA), which       helps oversee organ procurement, said in a statement to NPR that the       agency is “investigating these allegations.” And some people involved       in the case told NPR they have answered questions from the Office of       the Inspector General of the federal Department of Health and Human       Services, though no federal official from that office has commented on       the case.              Baptist Health Richmond, the Kentucky hospital where that incident       allegedly occurred, told NPR in a statement:              “The safety of our patients is always our highest priority. We work       closely with our patients and their families to ensure our patients’       wishes for organ donation are followed.”              "Not been accurately represented"       KODA, the organ procurement organization, confirmed that Miller was       assigned to the operating room for the case. But the organization told       NPR in a statement that “this case has not been accurately represented.              “No one at KODA has ever been pressured to collect organs from any       living patient,” according to the statement from Julie Bergin,       president and chief operating officer for Network for Hope, which was       formed when KODA merged with the LifeCenter Organ Donor Network. “KODA       does not recover organs from living patients. KODA has never pressured       its team members to do so.”              Organ procurement system officials, transplant surgeons and others said       that there are strict protocols in place to prevent unsafe organ       retrieval from happening.              “Incidents like this are alarming. And we would want them to be       properly reported and evaluated,” Dorrie Dils, president of the       Association of Organ Procurement Organizations, told NPR in an       interview. “And obviously we want to ensure that individuals are, in       fact, dead when organ donation is proceeding. And we want the public to       trust that that is indeed happening. The process is sacred.”              The accusations that emerged at the congressional hearing in September       undermine trust in the organ donation system and have led to a drop in       people signing up to be donors, according to an open letter released       Oct. 3 by the organization.              “For over five years, our nation’s organ procurement organizations       (OPOs) – the non-profit, community-based organizations that work with       grieving families every day to save lives through transplantation –       have been subject to malicious misinformation and defamatory attacks       based on hearsay, creating a false narrative that donation and       transplant in the U.S. is untrustworthy and broken,” the letter reads.              Others also fear such unnerving reports could undermine the organ       transplant system.              “These are horrifying stories. I think they need to be followed up       carefully,” says Dr. Robert Truog, a professor of medical ethics,       anesthesia and pediatrics at Harvard Medical School who works as a       critical care physician at Boston Children’s Hospital.                     [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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