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      XPost: alt.gossip.celebrities, alt.politics.democrats.d, sac.general       XPost: alt.rush-limbaugh, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh       From: bondrock@att.net              5 people died in the Capitol insurrection. Experts say it could have been       so much worse.                     The mob that overtook the US Capitol on January 6 was seconds away from       seeing security whisk away then-Vice President Mike Pence, the Washington       Post reported.              Many of the pro-Trump rioters were armed. Their goal that day, laid out in       messages prosecutors have cited charging them with crimes, was to swarm       the halls of government and keep Congress from certifying President Joe       Biden's victory.              At least two rioters were pictured with hands full of zip-tie like       restraints. Others strung a noose outside.              They shouted Pence's name and rifled through House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's       office.              After then-President Donald Trump riled them up at the "Stop the Steal"       rally, hundreds forced their way into the Capitol, donning QAnon attire       and waving a Confederate flag.              Some rioters got within yards of an unsecured Senate chamber and were just       seconds away from running into Pence when Capitol Police Officer Eugene       Goodman veered them in another direction.              Others encountered a barricaded House chamber door as authorities       frantically tried to secure the space.       capitol seige       U.S. Capitol Police with guns drawn watch as protesters try to break into       the House Chamber at the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday, Jan. 6, 2021, in       Washington. J. Scott Applewhite              Lawmakers were eventually whisked away to secure rooms with their staff,       but rioters continued to push through, and some made it to the Senate       chamber — where they scaled down walls and sat at the dais where Pence had       presided mere minutes before.              The day was bloody: Rioter Ashli Babbitt was fatally shot by a police       officer as she tried to climb through a broken window, and multiple videos       showed insurrectionists attacking overwhelmed police officers, including       one, who was surrounded outside a Capitol entrance and beaten with       flagpoles.              In total five people died in the Capitol insurrection, including one       Capitol Police officer.              But experts told Insider that the insurrection could have been much       deadlier if lawmakers hadn't been taken to safety.              "If insurrectionists had been able to get their hands on a member of       Congress, particularly a member of Congress that has been vilified by       right-wing media… I think you could most definitely have had bloodshed       because people were so riled up and fueled with conspiracy theories and       hatred," Devin Burghart, the executive director of the Institute for       Research and Education on Human Rights, a national watchdog group, told       Insider.              Burghart said if more rioters made it inside the Capitol, or if Trump had       walked with rioters to the building as he said he would, it would have       been a "much more volatile situation."              "You could have literally had open air executions in Washington on January       6," he said. "It's clear from the rhetoric they were using inside the       halls, their intentions, given things like a noose hanging out in front or       the fact that they brought zip ties and weapons into the halls, it could       have been disastrous."       Once expert says rioters never actually expected to gain access to the       Capitol and were 'caught off guard and without a specific strategy'              At least 179 pro-Trump rioters have been charged in the Capitol       insurrection so far.              Several of those arrested were found carrying weapons, including one man       who was found with an arsenal of bombs and guns.              While the FBI says there's no "direct evidence" of a plot to kill at the       Capitol, rioters were heard saying they wanted to execute Pence.              Javed Ali, a former senior director for counterterrorism and the National       Security Council, questioned why the riot didn't turn more violent.              "Was it because they couldn't find members of Congress and the vice       president? Was it because law enforcement thankfully prevented them from       doing it? Was it because they had a change of heart at some point in the       middle of their time in the building? I just don't think we know yet," Ali       said.              "But it absolutely had the potential to be more violent and I'm surprised       it wasn't, not only from that end of the spectrum, but from the law       enforcement side, too."       Capitol riot       Protesters broke into Capitol Building on January 06, 2021. (Photo by Win       McNamee/Getty Images)              Capitol Police have come under fire for their response to the       insurrection. They were largely overwhelmed by rioters, and video showed       some officers taking selfies with the insurrectionists and letting them       through gates.              Tamara Herold, a crime scientist and director of the Crowd Management       Research Council, told Insider that some rioters likely never believed       they'd actually breach the capitol.              "I think most rioters were caught off-guard and without a specific       strategy, which likely prevented greater harm from occurring," she said,       adding that police actions may have saved lives: "Attempting to hold and       redirect the crowd as long as possible to allow evacuation and the arrival       of additional police personnel, without resorting to deadly violence (with       one exception), likely prevented provoking rioters into using greater       levels of deadly force."       Several military members and law enforcement officers were among rioters       charged in the insurrection              Several former military members and retired or off-duty law-enforcement       officers — people who are often taught how to use force for their careers       — are among rioters who have been charged.              NPR reported that nearly one in five rioters charged were active duty or       retired military veterans, and that police officers from across the nation       participated in the insurrection.       Protesters enter the Senate Chamber on January 06, 2021 in Washington, DC.       Congress held a joint session today to ratify President-elect Joe Biden's       306-232 Electoral College win over President Donald Trump. Pro-Trump       protesters have entered the U.S. Capitol building after mass       demonstrations in the nation's capital.       Protesters enter the Senate Chamber on January 06, 2021 in Washington, DC.       Congress held a joint session today to ratify President-elect Joe Biden's       306-232 Electoral College win over President Donald Trump. Pro-Trump       protesters have entered the U.S. Capitol building after mass       demonstrations in the nation's capital. Win McNamee/Getty Images              Three members of the Oath Keepers, a far-right extremist group that       recruits former military and police, have been charged with conspiracy in       the insurrection, and a charging document showed men planning to storm the       Capitol days in advance.              Burghart told Insider that he wasn't surprised to see former military       members and off-duty police officers being arrested and put on leave in       connection the insurrection.                     [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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