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   Topaz to All   
   Re: Re: A Victory For Free Speech, TOPAZ   
   19 May 08 17:35:02   
   
   XPost: alt.politics.liberalism, alt.society.liberalism, alt.poli   
   ics.democrats.d   
   XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics   
   From: mars1933@hotmail.com   
      
   "Holocaust revisionism, ie, the examination of the supposed   
   genociding of Jews in the Third Reich. The generally-accepted version   
   of this event -- or, more properly, this NON-event -- is what I call   
   the Orthodox Jewish Version of the Holocaust, or OJV for short, which   
   holds in its present version that the nazis killed 'six million' Jews   
   in 'gas chambers'. As it happens, however, there are numerous problems   
   with the OJV. The following is a list of the major ones.   
      
   * The 'evidence' for the OJV consists primarily of the records of the   
   court proceedings of the Nuremberg trials. As it happens, however,   
   vengeful Jews were largely in charge of these trials. (According to   
   Louis Marshalko in his book The World Conquerers, of the 3000 persons   
   on the trial staff, 2400 were Jews.) Adding to the problem was the   
   fact that (1) there was no historical precedent for war crimes trials   
   in which only the vanquished were called to account for their actions;   
   and (2) these trials violated the fundamental principle of fairness   
   that no one is to be tried for violating a law that was instituted 'ex   
   post facto', ie, after the crime was committed.   
      
   * 'Confessions' used in the trial were highly dubious, since many were   
   extracted by torture or or other unethical means, such as threatening   
   the families of the accused (According to British scholar Vivian Bird,   
   more than one hundred German defendants had their testicles beaten to   
   a pulp by 'interrogators'.) Two confessions were particularly   
   egregious: That of Rudolf Hoss, commandant of Auschwitz, which was   
   (among other things) written in a language he did not even understand,   
   and which provided the major basis for the 'six million' figure; and   
   that of Kurt Gerstein, the dubiousness of which was the subject of a   
   French doctoral dissertation.   
      
   * Many of the atrocities that were seriously alleged at the trials are   
   now rejected by even establishment historians as false, the most   
   prominent of which are the stories that Jewish bodies were made into   
   soap and their skin was made into lampshades. Evidently such stories   
   were created as war propaganda, just as were similar stories in WW1   
   about 'Huns' who were 'bayonetting babies'.   
      
   * The defendants in the trials had no opportunity to gather evidence   
   in their defense, and in addition were often given poor food,   
   subjected to freezing weather without proper clothing, deprived of   
   sleep, and -- as stated earlier -- often brutally beaten. Furthermore,   
   those who were condemned to death had their sentences postponed until   
   they could be carried out on the Jewish High Holy Days in a sort of   
   'blood libel' celebration.   
      
   * The printed trial transcripts often do not match the trial   
   recordings, and were evidently deliberately changed to cover up   
   embarrassing facts brought out by defendants in their trials.   
      
   * Auschwitz was not a 'death camp', as alleged at the trials, but a   
   large industrial complex in Poland, and the inmates were forced   
   laborers. The nazis were desperate for labor, so it would have been   
   irrational for them to have 'gassed' anyone, and equally irrational   
   for them to have mistreated inmates or underfed them. In fact, there   
   was a special court, under SS Judge Konrad Morgen, to try complaints   
   against camp personnel for abusing inmates. Beyond this, Heinrich   
   Himmler, who held principal authority over the camps, sent a memo to   
   all camp commandants stating that inmate deaths must be reduced 'at   
   all costs' -- hardly something one would expect to find in a 'death   
   camp'. And while it was alleged at the trials that 4 million Jews were   
   'gassed' at Auschwitz, the German camp records were not admitted into   
   evidence, and would probably have vindicated many of the defendants if   
   they had been. In particular, the Auschwitz death books, which were   
   released by the Russian government about a decade ago, show that only   
   about 74,000 people died at Auschwitz in all the years of its   
   operation, most from typhus, with only about 30,000 of them being   
   Jews. Furthermore, the crematoria were intended not for the 'killing   
   of Jews', but rather for the sanitary disposal of the bodies of those   
   who died from typhus.   
      
   * While there were Allied spies in most camps reporting on camp   
   conditions by radio, none of these spies ever made a report about mass   
   killings or 'gas chambers'. The idea of 'gas chambers' evidently arose   
   from the fact that all the clothes of arriving inmates were   
   disinfected in a kind of gas chamber in which Zyklon B was used to   
   kill lice which were feared as disease vectors (Lousy Jews?). These   
   delousing chambers, it should be noted, were far too small for killing   
   people, particularly in the numbers posited by the OJV. It should also   
   be noted that Zyklon B, the form of cyanide supposedly used to kill   
   Jews, was in fact a special form of slow- release cyanide which was   
   appropriate for de-lousing clothing, but inappropriate for the   
   instantaneous killing that was supposedly done in the "gas chambers".   
   (The irony of Germans being accused of killing Jews by an instrument   
   which they (Germans) used for preserving Jewish lives should not go   
   unnoticed.) In addition, as revisionists have noted, such killings   
   would have been impossible on the scale claimed by the OJV because   
   cyanide is so dangerous that the bodies would have had to lie for   
   hours before they could be safely removed, even by those wearing   
   protective clothing and gas masks. Beyond this, cyanide gas is   
   explosive, so that any little spark, as from the friction of shoes on   
   the floor, or any flame, as from a cigaret, would have caused any 'gas   
   chamber' to be transported to the place where it was supposedly   
   sending Jews.   
      
   * Revisionists have proved that the rooms alleged to be 'gas chambers'   
   could not possibly have served this purpose. The first investigation   
   of this problem was done not for the Nuremberg trials, but rather many   
   years later by Fred Leuchter, an American engineer and execution   
   expert, who took samples from the walls of supposed 'gas chambers' at   
   several camps and found that there was essentially no cyanide residue   
   -- an impossibility if the rooms had been used as alleged. (Altho   
   Leuchter's work was flawed, his conclusions have been confirmed   
   independently by two other experts, Walter Luftl and Germar Rudolf.)   
   Other problems posed for the OJV by the alleged 'gas chambers' involve   
   such things as no air circulatory system for dispersing or ventilating   
   the gas, no means for heating the Zyklon B discs for proper dispersal,   
   the fact that the doors of the 'gas chambers' opened from the INSIDE,   
   and that Allied aerial photographs of Auschwitz during the war showed   
   no holes in the roof of the supposed 'gas chambers' which would have   
   allowed the introduction of Zyklon B -- a point made by Holocaust   
      
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