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|    Re: Re: A Victory For Free Speech, TOPAZ    |
|    19 May 08 17:35:02    |
      XPost: alt.politics.liberalism, alt.society.liberalism, alt.poli       ics.democrats.d       XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics       From: mars1933@hotmail.com              "Holocaust revisionism, ie, the examination of the supposed       genociding of Jews in the Third Reich. The generally-accepted version       of this event -- or, more properly, this NON-event -- is what I call       the Orthodox Jewish Version of the Holocaust, or OJV for short, which       holds in its present version that the nazis killed 'six million' Jews       in 'gas chambers'. As it happens, however, there are numerous problems       with the OJV. The following is a list of the major ones.              * The 'evidence' for the OJV consists primarily of the records of the       court proceedings of the Nuremberg trials. As it happens, however,       vengeful Jews were largely in charge of these trials. (According to       Louis Marshalko in his book The World Conquerers, of the 3000 persons       on the trial staff, 2400 were Jews.) Adding to the problem was the       fact that (1) there was no historical precedent for war crimes trials       in which only the vanquished were called to account for their actions;       and (2) these trials violated the fundamental principle of fairness       that no one is to be tried for violating a law that was instituted 'ex       post facto', ie, after the crime was committed.              * 'Confessions' used in the trial were highly dubious, since many were       extracted by torture or or other unethical means, such as threatening       the families of the accused (According to British scholar Vivian Bird,       more than one hundred German defendants had their testicles beaten to       a pulp by 'interrogators'.) Two confessions were particularly       egregious: That of Rudolf Hoss, commandant of Auschwitz, which was       (among other things) written in a language he did not even understand,       and which provided the major basis for the 'six million' figure; and       that of Kurt Gerstein, the dubiousness of which was the subject of a       French doctoral dissertation.              * Many of the atrocities that were seriously alleged at the trials are       now rejected by even establishment historians as false, the most       prominent of which are the stories that Jewish bodies were made into       soap and their skin was made into lampshades. Evidently such stories       were created as war propaganda, just as were similar stories in WW1       about 'Huns' who were 'bayonetting babies'.              * The defendants in the trials had no opportunity to gather evidence       in their defense, and in addition were often given poor food,       subjected to freezing weather without proper clothing, deprived of       sleep, and -- as stated earlier -- often brutally beaten. Furthermore,       those who were condemned to death had their sentences postponed until       they could be carried out on the Jewish High Holy Days in a sort of       'blood libel' celebration.              * The printed trial transcripts often do not match the trial       recordings, and were evidently deliberately changed to cover up       embarrassing facts brought out by defendants in their trials.              * Auschwitz was not a 'death camp', as alleged at the trials, but a       large industrial complex in Poland, and the inmates were forced       laborers. The nazis were desperate for labor, so it would have been       irrational for them to have 'gassed' anyone, and equally irrational       for them to have mistreated inmates or underfed them. In fact, there       was a special court, under SS Judge Konrad Morgen, to try complaints       against camp personnel for abusing inmates. Beyond this, Heinrich       Himmler, who held principal authority over the camps, sent a memo to       all camp commandants stating that inmate deaths must be reduced 'at       all costs' -- hardly something one would expect to find in a 'death       camp'. And while it was alleged at the trials that 4 million Jews were       'gassed' at Auschwitz, the German camp records were not admitted into       evidence, and would probably have vindicated many of the defendants if       they had been. In particular, the Auschwitz death books, which were       released by the Russian government about a decade ago, show that only       about 74,000 people died at Auschwitz in all the years of its       operation, most from typhus, with only about 30,000 of them being       Jews. Furthermore, the crematoria were intended not for the 'killing       of Jews', but rather for the sanitary disposal of the bodies of those       who died from typhus.              * While there were Allied spies in most camps reporting on camp       conditions by radio, none of these spies ever made a report about mass       killings or 'gas chambers'. The idea of 'gas chambers' evidently arose       from the fact that all the clothes of arriving inmates were       disinfected in a kind of gas chamber in which Zyklon B was used to       kill lice which were feared as disease vectors (Lousy Jews?). These       delousing chambers, it should be noted, were far too small for killing       people, particularly in the numbers posited by the OJV. It should also       be noted that Zyklon B, the form of cyanide supposedly used to kill       Jews, was in fact a special form of slow- release cyanide which was       appropriate for de-lousing clothing, but inappropriate for the       instantaneous killing that was supposedly done in the "gas chambers".       (The irony of Germans being accused of killing Jews by an instrument       which they (Germans) used for preserving Jewish lives should not go       unnoticed.) In addition, as revisionists have noted, such killings       would have been impossible on the scale claimed by the OJV because       cyanide is so dangerous that the bodies would have had to lie for       hours before they could be safely removed, even by those wearing       protective clothing and gas masks. Beyond this, cyanide gas is       explosive, so that any little spark, as from the friction of shoes on       the floor, or any flame, as from a cigaret, would have caused any 'gas       chamber' to be transported to the place where it was supposedly       sending Jews.              * Revisionists have proved that the rooms alleged to be 'gas chambers'       could not possibly have served this purpose. The first investigation       of this problem was done not for the Nuremberg trials, but rather many       years later by Fred Leuchter, an American engineer and execution       expert, who took samples from the walls of supposed 'gas chambers' at       several camps and found that there was essentially no cyanide residue       -- an impossibility if the rooms had been used as alleged. (Altho       Leuchter's work was flawed, his conclusions have been confirmed       independently by two other experts, Walter Luftl and Germar Rudolf.)       Other problems posed for the OJV by the alleged 'gas chambers' involve       such things as no air circulatory system for dispersing or ventilating       the gas, no means for heating the Zyklon B discs for proper dispersal,       the fact that the doors of the 'gas chambers' opened from the INSIDE,       and that Allied aerial photographs of Auschwitz during the war showed       no holes in the roof of the supposed 'gas chambers' which would have       allowed the introduction of Zyklon B -- a point made by Holocaust              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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