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|    28 May 08 18:28:00    |
      XPost: alt.politics.liberalism, alt.society.liberalism, alt.poli       ics.democrats.d       XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics       From: mars1933@hotmail.com              People who write confessions are often told exactly what to write,       word for word, by their interrogators. I know this because it happened       to me.       Some Germans did "confess":       "In the introduction to Death Dealer [Buffalo: Prometheus, 1992], the       historian Steven Paskuly wrote: "Just after his capture in 1946, the       British Security Police were able to extract a statement from Hoess by       beating him and filling him with liquor." Paskuly was reiterating what       Rupert Butler and Bernard Clarke had already described.       In 1983, Rupert Butler published an unabashed memoir (Legions of       Death, Hamlyn: London) describing in graphic detail how, over three       days, he and Clarke and other British policemen managed to torture       Hoess into making a "coherent statement." According to Butler [Legions       of Death, p. 237], he and the other interrogators put the boots to       Hoess the moment he was captured. For starters, Clarke struck his face       four times to get Höess to reveal his true identity.              The admission suddenly unleashed the loathing of Jewish sergeants in       the arresting party whose parents had died in Auschwitz following an       order signed by Höss.       The prisoner was torn from the top bunk, the pyjamas ripped from his       body. He was then dragged naked to one of the slaughter tables, where       it seemed to Clarke the blows and screams were endless.       Eventually, the Medical Officer urged the Captain: "Call them off,       unless you want to take back a corpse."       A blanket was thrown over Höss and he was dragged to Clarke's car,       where the sergeant poured a substantial slug of whisky down his       throat. Höss tried to sleep.       Clarke thrust his service stick under the man's eyelids and ordered in       Geffnan: "Keep your pig eyes open, you swine."       For the first time Höss trotted out his oft-repeated justification: "I       took my orders frorn Himmler. I was a soldier in the same way as you       are a soldier and we had to obey orders."       The party arrived back at Heide around three in the morning. The snow       was swirling still, but the blanket was torn from Höss and he was made       to walk completely nude through the prison yard to his cell.              An article in the Britsh newspaper Wrexham Leader [Mike Mason, "In a       cell with a Nazi war criminal-We kept him awake until he confessed,"       October 17, 1986] following the airing of a TV documentary on the case       of Rudolf Hoess included eyewitness recollections by Ken Jones:              Mr. Ken Jones was then a private with the Fifth Royal Horse Artillery       stationed at Heid[e] in Schleswig-Holstein. "They brought him to us       when he refused to cooperate over questioning about his activities       during the war. He came in the winter of 1945/6 and was put in a       small jail cell in the barracks," recalls Mr. Jones. Two other       soldiers were detailed with Mr. Jones to join Höss in his cell to help       break him down for interrogation. "We sat in the cell with him, night       and day, armed with axe handles. Our job was to prod him every time       he fell asleep to help break down his resistance," said Mr. Jones.       When Höss was taken out for exercise he was made to wear only jeans       and a cotton shirt in the bitter cold. After three days and nights       without sleep, Höss finally broke down and made a full confession to       the authorities.              The confession Hoess signed was numbered document NO-1210; later       revamped, as document PS-3868, which became the basis for an oral       deposition Hoess made for the IMT on April 15, 1946, a month after it       had been extracted from him by torture.       In his memoirs Hoess recounts the circumstances of his arrest and what       followed. The treatment that he underwent was particularly brutal.       At       first blush it's surprising the Poles allowed Hoess to make the       revelations he did concerning the British military police. Perhaps       they       did so to lend the Hoess confession a veneer of veracity; or to move       the       reader to make a comparison, flattering for the Polish Communists,       betweenthe British and Polish methods.       In fact, Hoess later said that during the first part of his detention       at Cracow, his jailers came very close to breaking him physically and       psychologically, but that later they treated him with "such decent and       considerate treatment" that he consented to write his memoirs; to       provide an explanation for certain absurdities contained in the text       (NO-1210) that the British police had made Hoess sign, one of these       absurdities being the invention of an extermination camp in a place       which never existed on any Polish map: "Wolzek near Lublin." Hoess had       talked of 3 camps-Belzek [sic], Tublinka [sic] and Wolzek near Lublin,       although the Belzec and Treblinka camps did not yet exist when (June       1941) Himmler, according to Hoess, told him they were already       functioning as "extermination camps."       Here is how, one after the other, Rudolf Hoess described his arrest by       the British, his signing of the document classified as NO-1210, his       transfer to Minden-on-the-Weser, where the treatment that he underwent       was worse yet, his stay at the IMT prison, and, finally, his       extradition to Poland [Commandant in Auschwitz, Introduction by Lord       Russell of Liverpool, English translation Weidenfeld and Nicolson,       1959, P. 173-175]:              I was arrested on 11 March 1946 [at 11 pm].              My phial of poison had been broken two days before.       When I was aroused from sleep, I thought at first I was being attacked       by robbers, for many robberies were taking place at that time. That       was how they managed to arrest me. I was maltreated by Field Security       Police.       I was taken to Heide where I was put m those very barracks from which       I had been released by the British eight months earlier.       At my first interrogation evidence was obtained by beating me. I do       not know what is in the record, although I signed it. Alcohol and the       whip were too much for me. The whip was my own, which by chance had       got into my wife's luggage. It had hardly ever touched my horse, far       less the prisoners. Nevertheless, one of my Investigators was       convinced I had perpetually used it for flogging the prisoners.       After some days I was taken to Minden-on-the-Weser, the main       interrogation centre in the British Zone. There I received further       rough treatment at hands of the English public prosecutor, a major.       The conditions in the prison accorded with this behaviour.       After three weeks, to my surprise, I was shaved and had my hair cut       and I was allowed to wash. My handcuffs had not previously been       removed since my arrest.       On the next day I was taken by lorry to Nuremberg, together with a       prisoner of war who had been brought over from London as a witness in       Fritzsche's defence. My imprisonment by the International Military       Tribunal was a rest-cure compared to what I had been through before.              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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