From: tstevens@nospam.nat   
      
   On January 2, 1997, Billy Bottoms initiated a telephone call with the   
   "train deaths'" webmaster. That conversation was recorded and is   
   transcribed below. Much of the first few seconds are unintelligible, but   
   are nothing more than hellos and introductions. If Bottoms wishes to   
   share an audible copy of these exchanges, they will be added to the   
   transcript. Every effort has been made to transcribe the conversation   
   verbatim and accurately. If there are any mistakes in the transcript,   
   corrections will gladly be made. This site's most important product is   
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   Mark Keesee is the webmaster and is MK   
      
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   BB: . . . the whole Mena affair is a hoax.   
   MK: It is?   
   BB: And a smoke screen.   
   MK: Uh, huh.   
   BB: And, uh, Russell Welch and Bill Duncan both know this now. And Terry   
   Reed is a liar. And L.D. Brown is a liar. And, uh, Sally Denton and   
   Roger Morris now know this. They wrote the story of the crimes of Mena.   
   MK: Uh, huh. Have you talked to them?   
   BB: Uh, I've been having e-mail correspondence with them. And they now   
   know that . . . .   
   MK: I don't think the argument has ever been that there were a lot of   
   drugs running in and out of Mena, was there?   
   BB: Well, uh, I can show you over 2,500 documents that I've got on Mena,   
   Arkansas, and none of it is accurate. None of it.   
   MK: Yeah, uh, I don't think, uh, Jean and Linda has ever said there were   
   a lot of drugs coming in and out of Mena.   
   BB: Well, the facts that I saw that related to them, they basically, uh,   
   concerned with, uh, Linda's lose of those two boys, and uh. . . . it,   
   uh. . . . they got side-tracked with a smoke screen, and, uh, I tell you   
   what, uh, I'm not sure what is behind their problem there, but my   
   suspicion is that it's a local problem, and, uh it had nothing at all to   
   do with Barry Seal or Mena, Arkansas.   
   MK: Hum.   
   BB: And, uh, to be on that track, the only the thing that does is allow,   
   if anything. . . you know, if, if it wasn't an accident. . . uh, I have   
   no idea.   
   MK: Wasn't an accident!?   
   BB: Well, I don't know.   
   MK: Have you ever read the autopsy report?   
   BB: No.   
   MK: You really ought to, to, study up on this before you, uh, talk about   
   the, the murders.   
   BB: Well, I don't know anything about it. All I do know is that, uh, uh,   
   Mena, Arkansas and Barry Seal had nothing to do with it. I know that for   
   a fact.   
   MK: Hey, you didn't even know that they were positively murdered.   
   BB: Well, I've heard that. I don't, I, I haven't investigated that. I   
   had no. . . .   
   MK: (Unintelligible). I'll let, uh, Mrs. Duffey talk to you.   
   BB: Uh, huh, I mean, they could very well be, and I wouldn't doubt that   
   they were. It sounds   
   kind of suspicious to me.   
   MK: Yeah, yeah.   
   BB: And I read reports that. . . .   
   MK: You ought to get on the web site and read autopsy report. . . . page   
   24.   
   BB: All right. But, uh, the only thing I can offer to help right there   
   is that, uh, if, if, if you guys are investigating, trying to find the   
   source of the murders, it's not anywhere around Mena, Arkansas or any   
   relation to Barry Seal or the CIA or anything like that.   
   MK: Uh, huh, and how do you know that?   
   BB: Well, I was Barry Seal's pilot, and, uh, all of his flights that   
   everybody thought he took, I took, and we didn't bring any drugs at all   
   to Arkansas.   
   MK: Was there no other pilots?   
   BB: No.   
   MK: Uh, huh.   
   BB: Well, there was Emile Camp, but he was my co-pilot.   
   MK: Now, uh, see, see, that's where you don't understand. They're not   
   saying any of the drug drops came from Mena. They never have. . . .   
   never have. In fact, most of the drops came, came out of Texas.   
   BB: It could very well be, but I do know that, uh, through British 20-20   
   and through a lot of documents that I've seen. . . . and not a whole lot   
   on the, the Ives issue. . . uh, that's just something that kind of   
   during my investigation to get behind, to, to find out. . . . I just   
   completed a three-month-long investigation myself into the Mena hoax and   
   as it relates to Barry Seal and smuggling, dope, guns, and the CIA, and   
   Bill Clinton, and all of that hog wash. . . .   
   MK: Uh, now you say that the CIA had nothing to do with Barry Seal?   
   BB: Uh, yes, that's exactly true.   
   MK: His testimony of. . . . uh, I've, I've got copies of his testimony   
   before the, the court in, uh, Louisiana. . . .   
   BB: Uh, huh.   
   MK: And he says he. . . . when he bought the Fat Lady for this other   
   guy, he bought it from Air America.   
   BB: Well, he bought it from Harry Doan. I went and picked it up.   
   MK: The prosecutor, uh, the prosecutor said, "Air America? The same Air   
   America we're talking about was CIA's airline as it is called?"   
   BB: Well, that's just not true, because I went and picked the airplane   
   up.   
   MK: Then they're lying?   
   BB: Well, I, I don't know how accurate the source of your document is,   
   but I do know that I went and picked the airplane up. We traded a Merlin   
   and a, a, helicopter for the airplane. We got it from Harry Doan. I   
   picked the plane up from Daytona(?) Beach. And, uh, when we were done   
   with it, we sold it back to Harry Doan for $250,000 and I delivered it   
   to him at Daytona(?) Beach, and drove it in his hanger. Or, uh, wouldn't   
   fit in his hanger, but, uh, uh, he's got a hanger there at Daytona(?)   
   Beach with all kinds of antique airplanes in it, and I landed it, left   
   it on the apron, and came home.   
      
   MK: Um, hum.   
   BB: Barry followed me other there in another airplane, and we came back   
   in a smaller air plane.   
   MK: And, uh. . . .   
   BB: The only thing, the only connections Barry Seal ever had with the   
   CIA was when they put, uh, cameras in the air plane. . . . they found   
   about the, the DEA sting in Nicaragua, and, uh. . . .   
   MK: Yeah, I've heard all that.   
   BB: Yeah, and they put the camera in the air plane. But it didn't have   
   nothing to do with Mena, that was done at Homestead Air Force Base, and   
   what the CIA did, actually, was screw that operation up.   
   MK: Um, hum.   
   BB: They leaked information and blew the cover on it and shut it down.   
   We (unintelligible) an operative with them. They used and abused us and   
   screwed up everything Barry Seal tried to do.   
   MK: Um, hum, I don't doubt that, but why would Barry lie?   
   BB: Well, I wouldn't think that, that he did lie. In fact, I know that   
   he didn't lie.   
   MK: Well, that, that was his. . . .   
   BB: I would think that your document's wrong.   
   MK: You got to be kidding!   
   BB: Or out of context, or whatever. I don't know.   
   MK: You got to be kidding, he uh, he, he said he bought it from Air   
   America.   
   BB: Well, maybe he thought Harry Doan is Air America, and maybe Air,   
      
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