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   Kevin Calder to Abx45Dfh@jjh76g7856gh.com   
   Re: Cyberpunk vs. Postmodernism - my las   
   19 Feb 04 05:37:41   
   
   XPost: alt.postmodern   
   From: kcalder@blueyonder.co.uk   
      
   In message , James Whitehead   
    writes   
   >   
   >"Kevin Calder"  wrote in message   
   >news:M8dzyxA3AqMAFw44@cableinet.co.uk...   
      
   >> Regardless, would a, *ahem*, radical-relativist be willing to concede   
   >> that it is science and technology that "makes them work"?  Possibly I   
   >> suppose.  Though I doubt that the radical-sceptic would.   
      
   >[Enters telephone box - Takes off jacket and shirt to reveal tight fitting   
   >lurex jump suit and cape emblazoned with RR logo]   
   >-  in deep patronising voice - NO!  science does NOT make them work -   
   >science *used* to attempt to explain how they worked- and was characterised   
   >by  completing theories which *claimed* to give a better explanation, and   
   >offered (implied) a promise that one day this process would arrive at THE   
   >ANSWER. We dont even have to open the quantum can of worms to see that   
   >science never proposed what your question does. As for technologists they   
   >notoriously pursue only pragmatic approaches to nature.   
      
   Cmon man, the radical sceptic is never going to buy any of that!   
      
   And it depends on on what you mean by "make work".  If nature made boats   
   work then there wouldn't be anything for ship builders to do.   
      
   So what you are saying is that 'scientists' observe nature and theorise   
   about it, and then 'technologists' come along and make stuff work using   
   said theories?  I just want to be clear about the distinction between   
   scientist and technologist.   
      
      
   >> Also, does sufficiently radical relativism become solipsism?   
      
   >[opening wide one eye] Weeeeeel - a truly radical relativism must surely   
   >critique the idea of the individual? - [smiling]   
      
   So, it goes beyond solipsism into nihilism then?   
      
   zip,   
   --   
   Kevin Calder   
      
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