From: goobs23_nospam_@hotmail.com   
      
   the problem, as i see it, is that there will never be a successful attempt   
   to disrupt the current state of affairs.   
      
   my main theory is based on the simple notion that most anti establishmentary   
   groups require massive organisation and funding to be able to achieve   
   anything of major significance, both of which require organisation.  Since   
   organisations require funding, and funding requires educated staff to   
   allocate and document funding so as to not suffer dessicration by the   
   Taxation Department, then simply put, more funding will be required to   
   support the influx of funding which will then need more organisation.  this   
   is what is otherwise known as beaurocracy. Plus,  in order to rock the   
   foundations of corporate society, they will need to become global...does   
   anyone other than me  hear the ringing bells of "catch 22"   
      
   just my 2p or 3.7USc   
      
   goobies   
      
      
   "FixinDixon"  wrote in message   
   news:1986a2df.0501281526.46c8b9ac@posting.google.com...   
   > As alleged cyberpunks (or people who can see past this haven's current   
   > incarnation as a posting board for porn links), I suppose we have some   
   > role to play in the anti-establisment/anti-corporate movement.   
   >   
   > Having just blasted my way around a few sites (mostly as a result of   
   > visiting Culture Jammer), I guess you could say that there's a   
   > concerted effort to undermine the authoritaty of the state, or at   
   > least ensure that the public opinion is at least heard, if not   
   > listened to.   
   >   
   > Since we are a literary movement, each of us privately scribbling   
   > words down somewhere, gleaning inspiration from our towns and cities,   
   > do we owe any allegiance to these anti-establishment groups?  As   
   > "punks", I suppose it is arguable that we do - after all, we all came   
   > from the same 1960s-70s stock.  The new anti-establishment groups seem   
   > very much into using technology to promote themselves.  Discussions   
   > about clothing and such have shown us that we lack a unified   
   > collective - some utilising the Matrix-style, others a grunge look,   
   > some a conforming style (various individuals may be interested to know   
   > I have since acquiesced and purchased a GAP jumper - and it did hurt).   
   >  We do share a common goal - working against the state/corporations   
   > whilst doing our own thing.   
   >   
   > So whilst radio stations have their hard-drives confiscated by the FBI   
   > and Vegan shoes and clothing is being promoted, musical styles are   
   > being created around a way of eating and arguments as to the corporate   
   > nature of white and red spots are being waged, do we get involved?  Or   
   > do we write about it?   
   >   
   > And by getting involved, I don't mean posting to message boards.  I   
   > mean actually being there, front line, peaceful protests, the whole   
   > works.  Or would we be better served merely admitting that the people   
   > will never triumph against the democracy we elect?   
   >   
   > FixinDixon   
      
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