From: idont@wanna.hearit   
      
   In article <1107527705.087464.111370@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,   
   m.butcher@liv.ac.uk says...   
   > To summarize, the question as to whether or not we are selling out   
   > depends on who we ask.  The concept of selling out is defined by who we   
   > are, our morale viewpoint and what we consider to be "ethically   
   > immoral" - what goes against our own ethical views?   
      
   hey, u got one right.  ; )   
      
   IMO the whole "selling out" thing depends solely on one criteria.. did u   
   do something u knew to be wrong for money?   
      
   if u can awnser no, then ur fine.  if u awnser yes u may have destroyed   
   ur soul in the process.. the voice that tells u this thing is wrong no   
   longer works properly.. and the end result is ur still fine.  but i'll   
   try to stick with the no column.   
      
   the concept of "our" ethical views is nonsense.  u will never find a   
   unifying set of moral principles everyone in this place can agree to,   
   past a certain basic level.. but even there.. chances are there will   
   always be someone who disagrees.   
      
      
   >   
   > >From my point of view, selling out would be buying all your clothes   
   > from corporate stores (GAP, Topshop etc), only drinking coffee from   
   > Starbucks, not watching anything that isn't promoted by "the man"... in   
   > other words, not thinking for yourself.  I suspect many of us share   
   > similar views, or at least promote free thought, not following   
   > everything the establishment says and generally doing what we want to   
   > rather than feeling constrained by public/government opinion.   
      
   people need coffee.  people need clothes.  where they get them doesn't   
   matter nearly so much as keeping them from going on kill crazy rampages   
   in the early hours of the morning because they were thrust naked and   
   caffiene-free into the dawn.   
      
   do u really need to see my naked ass loping wolf-like down the street on   
   a search and destroy mission for a latte?   
      
   i'll kill u yo, and ur family too.  keep ur politics away from my   
   starbucks!   
      
   ..   
   alias   
      
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