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    Ross Winn  wrote:   
      
   > Sure, but spouting platitudes that have little to no basis in reality is   
   > simply trolling. Rational discourse assumes we all believe certain   
   > things to be true. Like the fact that there is in fact a cyberpunk to be   
   > defined. That this cyberpunk has literary, film, and musical influences,   
   > as well as influencing that which came later. Is this simply my opinion,   
   > or something more?   
      
   I don't remember spouting platitudes. My original aregument: I"m too   
   busy with the idea of living to actively update a genre, of any nature.   
      
    > You can't be bothered to waste your time, so you spend several   
   minutes   
   > typing a 'reasoned response'. Really, if you think this is a waste stop   
   > responding. I asserted that my opinion was more correct than those who   
   > felt differently. If you felt my opinion was flawed you didn't support   
   > your opinion with any evidence, nor did you dispute any lack of evidence   
   > put forth at that time.   
      
   I wasn't actually going to respond until your second post which came   
   across as whining about no one paying attention to you - I figured I do   
   the courtrtest of stating why I ddnt find your particular opinion worth   
   discussing. My bad. Next time I'll continue to ignore you.   
      
   > I do claim to be an expert. I have spent twenty years reading and   
   > studying what was called cyberpunk in many forms. Literature, art,   
   > social discourse, and technology. I have never heard Sterling say he   
   > wasn't an expert. Similarly I have never heard Pat Cadigan. Brent   
   > Ferguson, or any of the other cyberpunk artists that I know personally   
   > claim to be anything but an expert.   
   >   
   > Opinions very greatly in this universe, however there are absolutes.   
   > There is right and wrong, and I am a jackass, but that doesn't make me   
   > wrong.   
      
   Anyone who claims to be an expert usually isn't.   
   I believe in absolute anything - there's to many conditional input   
   filters in the human brain for absolutes to be proven.   
      
   I've spent almost twenty years immersed in "cyberpunk", as well as many   
   other genres of media, and I don't claim to be an expert. In fact, I   
   don't even like a lot of it and haven't been able to read fiction (of   
   any nature much less CP) without getting bored for a couple of years now.   
      
   Genre's dnt really die, they definately don't upgrade, occasionally they   
   mutate and sometimes that split. That's my thought on it.   
      
   A rather intelligent discussion on the nature of 'genre' did crop up -   
   but it had nothing to do with the so called Cyberpunk other than that   
   being the catalyst.   
      
   (Oh and you'll find a good portion of us -alias- want Bruce Sterling's   
   head on a pike. How's that for a genre upgrade?)   
      
   I don't think your opinion is wrong, by nature of being an opinion I   
   don't believe it can be fully wrong, but I do think it is ill-informed.   
      
   ghost   
      
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