From: sfam@cyberpunkreview.com   
      
   "Cyber Trekker"  wrote in message   
   news:bcHDf.232192$V7.11359@news-server.bigpond.net.au...   
   > SFAM wrote:   
      
   > Deary me! Yet again humans interpret things incorrectly because they just   
   > don't understand what is being said.   
      
   My apologies for mistaking you for a human.  I hadn't realized that aliens   
   frequented NNTP newsgroups.  I DO need to expand my thinking apparently.   
      
      
   > Succinctly, aside from the fact that the so-called Big Bang is a purely   
   > human concept,   
      
   As is EVERY concept we communicate through this "concept" we call language.   
   If we point each and every concept out that's a purely "human" concept, our   
   discussion will become self-referential to the point of absurdity.   
      
   >do you seriously consider that the humans of Earth are the   
   > only intelligent lifeforms in the immensity of the Universe and that they   
   > are the first and perhaps only lifeforms to create and utilise what are   
   > termed emoticons. Seriously, get real!   
      
   Actually, in all honesty, it hadn't occurred to me that aliens would use   
   emoticons. What makes you think all aliens have faces?   
      
   > In regard to the monetary factor, if you seriously think that the current   
   > monetary paradigm is the only possible one or that were there other   
   > planetary civilisations that they also must have a monetary system, I   
   > would   
   > say to you to get real. Open your mind that seems to be hemmed in on all   
   > sides by preconceived notions. The current system is not the only possible   
   > system, nor is necessarily the best.   
      
   Again, you seem terrific at comparing our planetary system as a poor   
   substitute to other, more enlightened planetary systems.  I'm afraid I don't   
   have the information resources at my disposal that you apparently do.  As I   
   haven't seen the write-ups on all those other far better planetary systems,   
   I'm afraid you have me at a disadvantage, as all I have in front of me is   
   one meek example from the human concept we call the planet earth.   
      
   But no, I don't think much of ANYTHING we have in operation is the best of   
   all possibilities.  Kenneth Boulding, one of the founding fathers of general   
   systems theory, had a wonderful saying, "Things are the way they are because   
   they got that way."  While it sounds simplistic, in fact its laden with very   
   deep meaning.  Nobody intended things to work out this way.  More to the   
   point, its WELL PAST the point of anyone's control, even those in power.   
   This is the way of complex systems.  To proclaim that "patents are just a   
   human concept that we could change if we only knew about best practices on   
   ," while cool in that it makes you   
   sound more powerful and mighty than us humans, isn't really useful.   
   Transforming complex systems turns out to be harder than simply providing   
   proclamations that rally the troops.   
      
   Even if EVERYONE wants to do something, changing something fundemental to   
   the nature of market dynamics such as property is not an easy, or even wise   
   proposition.  It certainly is possible though, that at some point in the   
   future, when AI and nanotechnology are robust and well established, that the   
   fundementals of the market and concepts like "property" will be radically   
   altered.  Prior to this though, I don't see proclaimations by aliens doing   
   the trick.   
      
   > Think what you like about patents. In the end, you're no different to the   
   > majority of people of whom blindly accept the system and the   
   > justifications   
   > for it as a necessity that is not changeable either now or at some point   
   > in   
   > the future. The simple fact is, what started more or less as a system to   
   > protect the creative works of a person or of persons from those who would   
   > usurp them to present those works as their own has become a system of   
   > exploitation and nigh on solely about monetary gain.   
   >   
   > You really need to start thinking outside of the square in which you have   
   > ensconsed yourself and from which you judge every thing. A different   
   > perspective can give highly informative and enlightening results.   
      
   Dude, you really need to get over yourself.  I'm really thrilled for you   
   that you have all this planetary research at your disposal, but you must   
   realize, most of us poor humans are in the dark about other worlds' economic   
   systems.  While fiction is wonderful and very thought provoking, some of us   
   find it difficult to speak from such authority on the "right" approach to   
   wealth creation (which, incidentally, you haven't provided, as apparently,   
   discussing details of these other planetary systems is forbiddin?) without   
   knowing what they are talking about.   
      
   > Homo sapiens sapiens... More like homo double unintelligent, if the   
   > current   
   > paradigm is all they are capable of and will accept.   
      
   Again, I'm sorry, but I don't equate random removals of people's patents   
   when it suits your particular needs (meaning you don't want to pay for it at   
   that moment in time) as a method of "breaking out of the paradigm."  Have   
   your tried that line of reasoning at a car dealership lately, or are they   
   too trapped in humanistic thinking?   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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