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|    Cyber Trekker to Thomas Mayer    |
|    Re: Cingular tries to patent :)    |
|    31 Jan 06 12:13:27    |
      From: cyber.trekker@metauniverse.net              Thomas Mayer wrote:              > SFAM wrote:       >> [snip] If everything is free (no patents),       >> the incentive for creating wealth (cell phones, cell phone networks,       >> emoticons on cell phones, for instance) dissipates rapidly. I think you'd       >> find that this outcome infringes on your natural rights far more than       >> having to pay for stuff.       >       > I'm not sure about that. If inventions were only made, when you can get       > money from them, then for a long time in human history no inventions       > would have been made. It's the same argument that the copyright industry       > uses for using DRM and suing P2P users. I think, most inventions, music       > etc are made by people that just try to express themselves, though I       > have to admit, it takes a lot of money to develop a product from the       > inventions, so you have a point, if you only think in a       > pseudo-free-market sense, the way the world economy works nowadays.              Most people can not get their heads around the possibility of there being       other and better or alternative systems and methods of doing things. Bring       someone up in a particular system and that's all they know as well as can       see, understand and accept. Those who break free from this travesty are       indeed few. Merely espouse the accepted line in an intellectual and closed       set of arguments in what amounts to an infantile game and one is deemed       intelligent. Extend one's thought world beyond the concepts of the times       and one is looked upon as a deluded fool at the best or a mad person to be       feared and locked up or exterminated at the worst.              Such people who are bound in a system of thought judge everything from the       current or past systems and accepted ideas or from their respective       personal concepts and biases. They refuse point blank to accept any       alternative or there even being a possibility of a viable alternative       system. They blindly accept authority as the last word on anything and       everything. In effect, they are conceptually blind - responding as though       they are automatons espousing the prevailing dictates and mandates of       authorities, all the while perceiving those authorities to be almost       god-like and partaking of the infallibility of gods. They are the very       antithesis of the questioning mind of Socrates who refused to accept the       word of authority on a blind faith approach. They don't really think for       themselves, as their thoughts are conditioned by the thoughts of others.       They are caught in the Matrix, as it were. Outside of their dreamworld is a       vast universe of ideas to explore, but they are content with limitation and       imposing that limitation onto others, with being asleep and not knowing       that they are asleep while attempting to force the same condition of sleep       onto others.              If a concept, an idea, a vision, to extend the illustration further, can       only be created and developed with and through money, then whatever it is       cannot be worth much. Some of the best things that humanity has created and       developed have been done with an insignificant sum of money or no money       invested in it at all. If one sees things either solely or primarily in       terms of money, then one is going about things in the wrong way and it will       have far less beneficial results flowing from it to oneself, to others and       to the world as a whole.              The so-termed free market is the pseudo-free-market that you so correctly       designate as such. There is no real free market economy in the world. All       is illusion foisted upon humanity by those with vested interests and impure       motives. It's similar to the idea of democratic nations, for there is no       real democracy anywhere in the world. All is appearance only. Give the       appearance of a free market or of a democracy and those of whom refuse to       think for themselves believe there to be a free market and a democracy in       reality. Unfortunately, as it has been said before, tell the people a lie       long enough and the people begin to believe it as the truth.              It would appear that an interest in cyberpunk literature, movies and       lifestyle doesn't necessarily free the mind sufficiently of the cyberpunk       enthusiast.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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