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|    xqo to All    |
|    Some thoughts that ran through my head,     |
|    17 Sep 03 00:56:45    |
      XPost: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo       From: xqo@localhost.localdomain              Sometimes I wonder just what it is that we humans are doing on this       planet. I'm not really asking the question why are we here, let's just       ignore that for a second. Rather, I wonder what it is that we are doing as       a species since we are already here. Billions of individual lives on this       planet, all of them humming along at their own speed to their own       destination. Yet they are just one species, dominating, manipulating,       controlling the whole world. The only thing that these animals have going       for them, as far as I can see, are that they are all capable of sharing       some kind of mass hallucination.              This is how societies have risen, in my view. Back in the beginnings of       humanity, some of our ancestors shcizmed with their previous animal       concoiusness. Abstract reasoning increased. The clan structure increased.       All the while the population is increasing. You need more and more food.       People, in general, became very defensive of their land, their families,       etc. Larger and larger groups of people start living together in order to       protect their selves and food from groups/animals that would try to have       it for their own. More technology to feed the masses, more social order to       keep things safe inside the group, more jealously between the humans       themselves.              Why are we different from the majority of animals? Is it strictly that we       have larger brains, or is it because of the thoughts that go through them?       This is about where I usually start thinking about memes. Suppose that a       humans greatest advantage is communication within the species. Another       assumption is that human nature, the nature to lie, manipulate, etc for       personal gain, has always been around. Our ideas, the memes, were in the       beginning very small, in other words, less complex. Also, there were less       copies and mutations. Fast forward a few miliniea, and all of a sudden       meme population has EXPLOADED. Not only have the memes been able grow more       complex, but they also have an exponentially larger host population.       Earlier, memes had to replicate through word of mouth, but now the humans       have gone and done something just amazing for meme survival: They have       started writing. With the rise of the memes come culture, society,       civilization.              What does any of this mean, in the end, to come full circle? Since meaning       is just a meme thats been replicated in some variant in my head at this        moment, and all the other billions of the planet have a slightly more or        less different version of this meme running in their minds, is there a        meaning at all? Are we all in essence running around screaming "What the        Fuck?" to the cosmic void in our species never ending search for meaning?        If you think about it, that's what we've been doing all along, searching        for some meaning at different scales. If the memes obey some sort of        fitness factor in the evolution, could it bet that at least one of our        goals is to search for some kind of meaning? Or is the search for meaning        just another meme that enough people have comunicated over the years to        give it a life of it's own? I guess the question you could ask at this        point is if all memes are or equal quality, or if certain ones contain        trueness, if indeed such a thing exists.              None the less, we keep on doing what we are doing, humanity keeps kicking       along and I don't really think it's showing signs of stopping. We will       eventually move off this planet, and if the human race can become a space       fairing race, then it might not stop for an astronomicaly significant time       period. What bizzare memes will be sparking along the neurons then? What       will we have done? In the short time we've been in this one place we've       almost mastered control of our environment, we have a global culture, we       have killed a lot of our own species for some very stupid reasons, we've       erected countries and empires and killed some more people for them. We've       created religions that span the globe, and killed some more people in       their name. I wonder what the ratio, if you counted from the very       beginnings, of human caused death and naturally occurring death is. ¶       12:52 AM              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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