From: Omixochitl2002@yahoo.com   
      
   Alienthe  wrote in   
   news:3F9171E8.20101@hotmail.com:   
      
   > One of these days I'll try to trim this cascade...   
   >   
   > Omixochitl wrote:   
   >   
   >> Alienthe  wrote in   
   >> news:3F758312.60406@hotmail.com:   
   >>>Omixochitl wrote:   
   >>>>Alienthe  wrote in   
   >>>>news:3F57AC0C.5040300@hotmail.com:   
   >>>>>Omixochitl wrote:   
   >>>>>>Alienthe  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>news:<3F4296A8.4090204@hotmail.com>...   
   >>>>>>>Omixochitl wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>Alienthe  wrote in   
   >>>>>>>><3F3501D6.5070505@hotmail.com>:   
   >>>>>>>>>Omixochitl wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>Snoogy  wrote in   
   >>>>>>>>>>:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>agreed, though PR went overboard on fashion description   
   >>>>>>>>>>>rather than tech description and therefore suffered the same   
   >>>>>>>>>>>failing as hard SF.  though   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>Or more precisely, the same failing as hard chick lit.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>"Hard chick lit"? Would that be stories with detailled fashion   
   >>>>>>>>>descriptions set in Harajuku or just outlandish fashions like   
   >>>>>>>>>Trinity's wardrobe inside Matrix.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>Hard chick lit would be like _Bridget Jones's Diary_ and _The   
   >>>>>>>>Girl's Guide to Hunting and Fishing_, only more so.  ;)   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>Bridget Jones to Neuromancer sure is a wide span in literary   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>Not that wide.  They're both 20th century, after all.  My literary   
   >>>>>>tastes are a bit wider than those 2 imply.  ;)   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>Well, I think it sounded wide as it was, no matter the   
   >>>>>century. Or shall we say one bridget too far? Ahem.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>Heh.   
   >>>>   
   >>>And now in another thread it appears you enjoy generic romance   
   >>>stories too?   
   >>   
   >> Actually, I dislike formula romance.  Most of the romantic stories I   
   >> like are definitely outside the genre, and the few I like within the   
   >> genre are still outside the formula or at least kick the formula   
   >> around (for example, _Ritual of Proof_ by Dara Joy).   
   >   
   > Somehow a romantic streak seems a bit odd around here even though   
      
   Romantic streak?  Where?  I just happen to like several exceptions   
   outside my favorite genres in addition to tons of stuff in my favorite   
   genres.  :)   
      
   > I know of former regulars in this newsgroup who got married. The   
   > stereotypical Molly or Trinity is rather powerful.   
      
   Um, powerful and horny aren't mutually exclusive in either gender.   
   Anyway, Molly would definitely beat Trinity in a fight.  Speaking of   
   power levels, who would win - Molly or Nell*?   
      
   * let's make it fair and have Nell not call her reinforcements   
      
   >> Thing is, if a book is in both the formula romance and SF genres then   
   >> the library here shelves it as SF.  Which is the only reason I knew   
   >> that book existed in the first place.  I checked it out, despite its   
   >> being formula romance, because it also looked vaguely CP.  ;)   
   >   
   > Seems strange to me that a library would stock generic formula   
   > romance, perhaps also the librarian in charge of the shelves   
   > agree too.   
      
   Libraries stock everything these days, from Nobel-Prize-in-Literature   
   stuff to generic formula romance and Star Trek spinoff novels and such.   
   If they don't stock something for everyone, it's harder for them to ask   
   for tax support from everyone.   
      
   >>>>>I just remembered (by scrolling back actually) that there   
   >>>>>is another regular in this newsgroup who is into filming,   
   >>>>>MadEvilBeats, and is even looking for a suitable movie project.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>Cool.   
   >>>   
   >>>I haven't seen him posting for a long time now; had thought   
   >>>this thread might make him reappear.   
   >>   
   >> Maybe we gotta contact him directly.   
   >   
   > I'll CC this to him.   
      
   Cool.   
      
   >>>>>>>rely on you to get "Neuromancer the Fan Movie" getting off the   
   >>>>>>>launch pad. It will of course be your privilege to cast yourself   
   >>>>>>>in latex and shades somewhere in Harajuku as Molly...   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>Heh.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>You are game, yes?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>I'm not sure...   
   >>>>   
   >>>Why not? Outre clothing is de rigeur and now the movie Underworld   
   >   
   > I saw a little of Blade 2 the other day, seems the female actors   
   > had raided the wardrobes of various first person shooter games   
   > such as Unreal, which in turn were robberies from Cyberpunk.   
      
   I don't play that many 1st person shooters.  Hmm...what do SimCity   
   characters wear...?   
      
   >> Yeah, but I can't act.   
   >   
   > Does that matter much? When in doubt, do a "Woah!" or, when   
   > variety is called for, a "Whoa!" (note the subtle subtleties).   
   > At least that is what Keanu Reeves does and it seems to work   
   > for him.   
      
   But we're talking about Molly.  Playing her would take some actual skill   
   (and some lack of actual stage fright too).   
      
   >>>is trying to outdress Matrix in a costume that looks like   
   >>>outlandish boots that go all the way up to her shoulders. Could   
   >>>this be another chick flick?   
   >>   
   >> Eh, maybe.  Why does everyone have to raid each other's wardrobes   
   >> instead of considering new clothes, though?  I mean, even S1m0ne   
   >> stole Matrix clothes*.   
   >   
   > It is hard to invent new styles that look suitably outrageous;   
   > spray painted clothing seems to work well. The Fifth Element did   
      
   OTOH, cyberpunk tends to be more subtle than other SF.  That's one of   
   the reasons I like it.  :)  The clothing descriptions in _Snow Crash_   
   were pretty cool.   
      
   > a major effort to create futuristic clothing using professional   
   > high profile designers. I think the effect was not proportional   
   > to the effort. Anyway, latex works and when in doubt make it   
   > tight. The box office likes it too.   
   >   
   >>>In a way it is a little like Irma Vep too, a movie about a movie   
   >>>made by the director to get the main actress.   
   >>   
   >> What else was that one about?   
   >   
   > That is a difficult question. In a way it was a monster grade   
   > rorschach with one of the weidrest endings I have ever seen   
   > which made critics able to write just about anything without   
   > fear of being disproved. Yet noone seem able to say exactly   
   > what it meant. Deep Googling did not give any answers.   
   >   
   > On the other level it was a movie by the writer/director to   
   > propose to gis then girlfriend Maggie Cheung. Since they   
   > later married it can be argued the movie was a personal   
   > success. Then again they were later separated so you can argue   
   > this either way, just like the movie itself.   
   >   
   > Superficially, to borrow a favourte phrase from the critics, it   
   > was a movie about a movie where Maggie Cheung plays Maggie Cheung   
   > who plays Irma Vep. In spite of much strutting in tight latex   
   > the movie was not a major commercial success.   
   >   
   > Much was made about the movie-about-a-movie concept and I had   
   > more or less expected something like The Player. That was a   
   > mistake. To me the The Player made fun of Hollywood and the   
   > audience while Irma Vep definitely made fun of French movie   
   > industry and possibly also the critics while carefully   
   > remaining non-humoristic.   
      
   What's the point of making fun of something if you're not going to be   
   "humoristic?"   
      
      
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