From: trminlxGARBAGE@bitstreamnet.com   
      
   In article <51f64020.0311060149.1f5eccf2@posting.google.com>,   
    u01mzb@abdn.ac.uk (FixinDixon) wrote:   
      
   > Sourcerer   
   > Humanity is basically flawed in that we   
   >   
   > > behave in constructive rather than destructive ways.   
   >   
   > Can this be changed?  YES.  For example, any and every human conflict   
   > that has occured has ended in the utter humiliation of one of the   
   > parties by the other, be it by force of arms, propoganda techniques,   
   > whatever.  These are destructive measures.  Every single human   
   > conflict could, I believe, have been dealt with in a more constructive   
   > manner.  For example, the Iraq war was, ostensibly, about finding WMD.   
   >  We had the search teams in place, we were looking.  But the UK and   
   > the US went in, dicks first, brains way in the rear, looking for a   
   > fight.  I'm not saying that removing Saddam was a bad thing, far from   
   > it; I'm just saying that there were alternative methods of handling   
   > the situation.  If mankind could ever see those, then the flaw would,   
   > gradually, be removed.   
      
      
   Ok, I'm not a fan of Bush or his regime. I don't agree with what we did   
   in Iraq but you are obviously not researching anything because we have   
   had inspectors in Iraq almost constantly since 1992. That means a decade   
   of "peaceful searching" which didn't yield shit. To many people that's   
   enough time.   
      
   So, sure I think we should have accepted defeat and moved on, but as you   
   said any conflict usually results in the humiliation of one side.   
   Problem is the side with the biggest gun usually doesn't like being   
   humiliated - even if they're to blame for it. So again we come back to   
   the "I've got a bigger stick, my way is more right than your way so   
   either change or I hit you."   
      
   You want to seriously change the world? Work on removing Pride, Ego and   
   Narcissism. Then the root cause of most violence will go away.   
      
   Cyberpunk characters are not idealists, they rarely (if ever) set out to   
   directly change the world at large, and most don't in anyway. The   
   characters are realists stuck deep in the quagmire of Survival. That   
   means being the best, getting the cash and avoiding the bullets. The   
   majority of characters we talk about have no desire to uphold some lofty   
   ideal about what's right and wrong, most of them are definitely on the   
   "not so good" side of the fence in their actions and motives.   
      
   ghost   
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