From: Omixochitl2002@yahoo.com   
      
   u01mzb@abdn.ac.uk (FixinDixon) wrote in   
   news:51f64020.0311070222.2df359f0@posting.google.com:   
      
   > ghost   
   >   
   >> You're looking at reality as a fight between some kind of Good and   
   >> Evil, which is typically western.   
   >   
   > I AM western.  I also accept the notions of Yin and Yang.  Personally,   
   > I prefer to think of it all on a scale between Law and Chaos.  Too   
   > much of one thing is bad, so a happy medium must be reached.  This   
   > must be achieved by conflict, to begin with, and then maintained by   
   > experience and intelligence.   
      
   Yep.   
      
   >> You can't have Love without Hate, Peace without War, and on and on   
   >> like that.   
   >   
   > I can see we're going to have a disagreement here, because I'm arguing   
   > that such an environment is possible.   
      
   Indeed - how the heck do you have peace and war at the same time?   
      
   >> It's not bad, it just is. Human Nature, Animal Nature taken up a   
   >> step.   
   >   
   > Animal nature...Human nature...what's the next step?  If animal nature   
   > is the presence of behaviour, human nature is behaviour with the   
   > presence of emotion, what's next?  And do we want to achieve it?   
      
   More than one thing is next.  Now we gotta pick which ones.   
      
   >> Also keep in mind that it will never go away completely, humans will   
   >> always find and justify a reason to kill other humans. We can only   
   >> hope the situation starts occuring a little less frequently .. on the   
   >> other hand we do need some kind of population control and fighting   
   >> amongst each other is certainly a good one & at 6Billion we might   
   >> want to step up the pace a little.   
   >   
   > So from arguing that "we are taking steps towards a society that would   
   > go to war with some reluctance" you are now advocating war???  Do you   
   > even watch the images of sheer brutality, carnage and horror on TV?   
      
   Good point.  Condoms, pills, 69s, abstinence, etc. are much better   
   population control measures.  ;)  We humans just have to improve access   
   to all of them (make it easier to get condoms and pills and so on, attach   
   less stigma to non-reproductive sex positions, reduce the rates of forced   
   marriages and other rapes, etc.).   
      
   > When Baghdad was being taken, TV crews filmed Iraqi soldiers getting   
   > blown up by tank fire, shot down in a hail of bullets, cheering   
   > soldiers using rocket launchers to kill someone's son, and then   
   > smoking, charred corpses of the 'conquered' on the roadside as their   
   > tanks rolled in.  I could go on about the situation in Africa, where   
   > children are killing each other because all the adults are dead.   
   > Where women are tested to see if they are still virgins because of the   
   > numbers that have been raped and given HIV.  Where women's genitalia   
      
   Oh, those tests started long before HIV.   
      
   > is cut with no anathestic to be "more attractive" to a prospective   
   > partner.   
      
   That might have been the original purpose, but I heard that in a lot of   
   cases it's now more like *hazing* - a woman who's proud of being   
   mutilated cutting up her daughter or granddaughter so that the little one   
   can join the traditional-women club, while the father either figures "I'm   
   a guy, it's none of my business" or forbid mutilation but couldn't keep   
   an eye on his daughter 24/7.   
      
   > The only thing that needs to be stepped up is the education of the   
   > masses.  Starting at home.   
      
   So true.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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