From: Omixochitl2002@yahoo.com
Alienthe wrote in
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> Omixochitl wrote:
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>> Alienthe wrote in
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>>>Omixochitl wrote:
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>>>>Alienthe wrote in
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>>>>>One of these days I'll try to trim this cascade...
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> ...but not today.
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>>>>>Omixochitl wrote:
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>>>>>>Alienthe wrote in
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>>>>>>>Omixochitl wrote:
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>>>>>>>>Alienthe wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>Omixochitl wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>Omixochitl wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>Omixochitl wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Snoogy wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>agreed, though PR went overboard on fashion description
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>rather than tech description and therefore suffered the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>same failing as hard SF. though
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Or more precisely, the same failing as hard chick lit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Hard chick lit"? Would that be stories with detailled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>fashion descriptions set in Harajuku or just outlandish
>>>>>>>>>>>>>fashions like Trinity's wardrobe inside Matrix.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Hard chick lit would be like _Bridget Jones's Diary_ and
>>>>>>>>>>>>_The Girl's Guide to Hunting and Fishing_, only more so. ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Bridget Jones to Neuromancer sure is a wide span in literary
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Not that wide. They're both 20th century, after all. My
>>>>>>>>>>literary tastes are a bit wider than those 2 imply. ;)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Well, I think it sounded wide as it was, no matter the
>>>>>>>>>century. Or shall we say one bridget too far? Ahem.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Heh.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And now in another thread it appears you enjoy generic romance
>>>>>>>stories too?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Actually, I dislike formula romance. Most of the romantic stories
>>>>>>I like are definitely outside the genre, and the few I like within
>>>>>>the genre are still outside the formula or at least kick the
>>>>>>formula around (for example, _Ritual of Proof_ by Dara Joy).
>>>>>>
>>>>>Somehow a romantic streak seems a bit odd around here even though
>>>>>
>>>>Romantic streak? Where? I just happen to like several exceptions
>>>>outside my favorite genres in addition to tons of stuff in my
>>>>favorite genres. :)
>>>>
>>>Is it possible to enjoy romance, formula or not, without a
>>>minimum or romantic streak? Not that I know what it takes since
>>>
>>
>> Eh, I had the impression that "streak" constituted somewhat more.
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>
> Oh. Well, I had more of a "less" in mind, hoping
> that less is not more here.
It ain't.
>>>I was unable to finish reading one generic romantic story I
>>>accidentally picked up.
>>
>> Hey, I was laughing *at* _Virtual Warrior_, not laughing *with* it.
>> ;)
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>
> Phew.
Heh.
>>>>>I know of former regulars in this newsgroup who got married. The
>>>>>stereotypical Molly or Trinity is rather powerful.
>>>>>
>>>>Um, powerful and horny aren't mutually exclusive in either gender.
>>>>Anyway, Molly would definitely beat Trinity in a fight. Speaking of
>>>>power levels, who would win - Molly or Nell*?
>>>>
>>>Umm, I am not sure where "horny" got into this; still I can agree
>>>that it and being powerful are not mutually exclusive.
>>>
>>>
>>>>* let's make it fair and have Nell not call her reinforcements
>>>>
>>>
>>>Ah but that would be cheating.
>>>
>>
>> Nah. Molly vs. Nell is fair. Molly vs. Nell + 3,300,000 Mouse Army
Oops, off by an order of magnitude. Make that 330,000 Mouse Army troops.
>> troops is cheating. Heck, even Molly vs. Nell + 4 Mouse Army troops
>> is cheating.
>
>
> Molly with her augmented body would also be unfair, without
> it she wouldn't be Molly.
Trouble is, how many troops are the counterpart of Molly's augments?
Probably less than 1 girl. How the heck do you get 0.5 or 0.7 or 0.2 of
them in a fight? Hmm...maybe a fraction of 1's fighting ability...OK,
how about Molly + augments vs. Nell + one of those older girls who had
stunted feet?
Meanwhile, a Nell vs. Trinity fight would be even more difficult to set
up:
"Writing fight scenes in a book doesn't count as martial arts"
"Of course it does, I see no good reason to instead drill a hole into my
skull"
"No fair"
"You're the one who chose to do this in a ractive, I intended to use a
proper gymnasium"
"That's no fair either, you've used your actual hands and feet in a fight
before"
>>>>>>Thing is, if a book is in both the formula romance and SF genres
>>>>>>then the library here shelves it as SF. Which is the only reason
>>>>>>I knew that book existed in the first place. I checked it out,
>>>>>>despite its being formula romance, because it also looked vaguely
>>>>>>CP. ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Seems strange to me that a library would stock generic formula
>>>>>romance, perhaps also the librarian in charge of the shelves
>>>>>agree too.
>>>>>
>>>>Libraries stock everything these days, from
>>>>Nobel-Prize-in-Literature stuff to generic formula romance and Star
>>>>Trek spinoff novels and such. If they don't stock something for
>>>>everyone, it's harder for them to ask for tax support from everyone.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>This sounds much like the lowest common denominator. It is easy to
>>
>> More like all the denominators. Lowest common denominator would be
>> stocking *nothing but* generic formula romance and Star Trek spinoff
>> novels.
>
>
> The horror, the horror. That however would not be the *common*
> denominator.
Then the common denominator would be even lower...the picture books the
little kids get before they can pick their own and express different
tastes in books from each other's?
>>>sound elitist, I know, but then again being able to read and write
>>>appear to qualify to membership in the Elite.
>>
>> I've noticed that too. :(
>
>
> It is one of the things that makes this place so subversive...
Heh.
>>>>I don't play that many 1st person shooters. Hmm...what do SimCity
>>>>characters wear...?
>>>>
>>>I have only seen the posters but SimCity looked ordinary. The
>>>games inductry trade magazines I read at work show a lot of
>>>tough-girl-in-outrageous-costyme in most games where just
>>>remotely possible. Also articles on character designs and the
>>>psycology of gaming acknowledges this character as rather
>>>common.
>>>
>>
>> Meanwhile, in that new online RPG There Inc. players can design (and
>> sell) their own fashions:
>>
>> http://www.wired.com/news/games/0,2101,59941,00.html
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>
> I'll have a look.
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