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   Message 485 of 2,235   
   ghost to Sourcerer   
   Re: Why Isn't There a Cyberpunk Movement   
   07 Nov 03 22:52:15   
   
   From: trminlxGARBAGE@bitstreamnet.com   
      
   In article ,   
    Sourcerer  wrote:   
      
   > I think we are at another 'tippping point' for the economy, one that   
   > will take us into 'the cybergothic dystopic future' and perhaps a   
   > cyberpunk movement will emerge in the wreckage, say around 2008 -- or   
   > whenever we begin to recover from the shock resulting from the collapse   
   > of global finance.   
   >   
   > > I can see it now, "Quick Mr. Mega-Corp, give me awesome tech really   
   > > cheap - keep doing research to make it faster & cheaper while I tell   
   > > everyone how evil you are!!" Heh ... I'm just curious as to where people   
   > > think most advancements in technology will come from once they topple   
   > > the MegaCorps in control of everything .. Seems to me to rail against   
   > > the corporations in this day and age you'd have to be a neoluddite. It'd   
   > > be the only logical move.   
   > >   
   >   
   > A bit more than 10 years ago there was a thread here (it was one of the   
   > first I posted to) about technology and jobs. The subject was what to do   
   > about all the people who can only do 'low level' jobs, since technology   
   > was and would continue to relentlessly eliminate them. The subject was,   
   > could you educate and train such 'low level' workers to do 'high level'   
   > work, who are likely to be uneducatable and untrainable. What to do   
   > about the coming masses of the unemployed?   
   >   
   > The thread exposed the class and political antagonisms in the group, but   
   > what is on-point here was the assumption that highly skilled jobs in   
   > technology would expand forever. It never occured to them that their   
   > jobs would 'run away' to India, or that newer technologies would   
   > obsolete them, mocking their smug satisfaction in their once elite   
   > skillsets, their bright economic futures. I wonder how many of them got   
   > sacked the past 3 years?   
      
   That's incredibly naive of them. Especially since the same thing   
   essentially happened when we moved from computers using punch cards and   
   cylinders to computers using hard drives of various sorts.   
      
   The biggest mistake someone in a tech field that is still looking to   
   grow or evolve is assume their current skill set will last for very   
   long. An Elite skill set only remains so as long as the tech it is the   
   set for remains the De Facto "Kind Of The Hill". After that it's just   
   another skill set in the tool box.   
      
   Personally I think a "Bubble Gum Crisis" or "Armitage" (where robots do   
   take over mundane jobs of all sorts) world is far away at best, but that   
   doesn't mean the tech won't evolve at least a little.   
      
   I plan on having to learn a completely different set of skills to add   
   onto my current set within the next five years. To think otherwise would   
   simply be arrogant of me.   
      
   > > I can see it now, "Quick Mr. Mega-Corp, give me awesome tech really   
   > > cheap - keep doing research to make it faster & cheaper while I tell   
   > > everyone how evil you are!!" Heh ... I'm just curious as to where   
   > > people  think most advancements in technology will come from once they   
   > > topple the MegaCorps in control of everything .. Seems to me to rail   
   > > against the corporations in this day and age you'd have to be a   
   > > neoluddite. It'd be the only logical move.   
   > >   
   >   
   > My response in such threads was like that. Destroy the Beast and you and   
   > your buddies in your secret cp movement would have to communicate by   
   > paper cup and string. Btw, has anyone ever done that, or anyone ever   
   > network an array of paper cups and string?   
   >   
   > The political problem has been that the "system" is in process of   
   > destroying itself, it cannot be reformed. Its condition is terminal.   
      
   I'd say yes and no. The current system may be destroyed beyond hope of   
   reformation. But that doesn't mean another system won't eventually   
   replace it.   
      
   Rome fell to, but something did move to take the void that wasn't ness.   
   better.   
      
   ghost   
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