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   Omixochitl to dan carnes   
   Ash, Dune, Matrix (was Re: Matrix Revolu   
   09 Nov 03 22:52:55   
   
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   From: Omixochitl2002@yahoo.com   
      
   "dan carnes"  wrote in news:ijzrb.14080$iE.8707   
   @okepread01:   
      
   > I was amazed at how much this film reminded me of Frank Herbert's  Dune   
   > Messiah.   
   > Neo as Maudib   
   > Trinity as Chani   
   > Sight without seeing   
   > The Humans as the Fremen   
   > The Machines as the remainder of the Empire   
   > And finally not knowing if Neo/Paul is really dead or just off in the   
   > wilderness because were he to return he would not be a mere mortal but   
   > a god.   
      
   That's easy, it's the ending of a Matrix movie therefore he got in a   
   coma.   
      
   > Did anyone else pick up on this possible influence, or have I just been   
   > reading too much of Herbert's work lately? :D   
      
   I don't remember much of _Dune_ apart from boredom, and didn't read the   
   sequels, but recently I reread Mary Gentle's _Ash_ (well, the 4-book US   
   edition):   
      
   - plenty of fight scenes   
   - war between human soldiers and machinery with a grudge against everyone   
   - machines getting some other people to do their bidding   
   - lack of sunlight 24/7   
   - electronic communications   
   - minds hooked up directly to computers   
   - uploaded personalities   
   - one token bigshot with built-in anti-machinery capabilities at a time   
   - religious allusions   
   - sometimes a high-tech/low-life attitude   
   - machines turning out to actually have a good point   
   - human/machine attempt at truce/deal/whatever   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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