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   From: Omixochitl2002@yahoo.com   
      
   "dan carnes"  wrote in   
   news:KhErb.784$CK6.498@okepread01:   
      
   > I will have to read the series.  Sounds very worthwhile.  For the   
      
   Very worthwhile, even though whether or not it's cyberpunk is   
   questionable.  Meanwhile, it's  not really a series - released as 1   
   volume in the UK and 4 in the US because it's 500,000 words long.  Once   
   when browsing rec.arts.sf.composition I saw it as a unit of measurement   
   ("Heck, my whole trilogy shall weigh in at around 0.7 Ash").   
      
   > record, I do not think that there is anything wrong with the Brothers   
   > W paying homage to a few of the genre's greats, while adding a few new   
   > twists of their own for the next generation.  100% originality is hard   
   > to come by in a time when ideas and information are so prolifically   
      
   Hmm...how about setting?  The neat thing about all the stuff I listed   
   below is that the Wachowski brothers put them in and around a faux 1999   
   United States and Mary Gentle put them in and around an alternate 1470s   
   Burgundy and Carthage.   
      
   > distributed so quickly.  Besides for all the critics, I went to the   
   > movie for entertainment only.  If I were looking for any answers to   
   > larger questions, I would start looking in other places before the   
      
   Good point.   
      
   > Cineplex. "Omixochitl"  wrote in message   
   > news:Xns942EB5E1AEC14idtoken@130.133.1.4...   
   >> "dan carnes"  wrote in news:ijzrb.14080$iE.8707   
   >> @okepread01:   
   >>   
   >> > I was amazed at how much this film reminded me of Frank Herbert's   
   >> > Dune Messiah.   
   >> > Neo as Maudib   
   >> > Trinity as Chani   
   >> > Sight without seeing   
   >> > The Humans as the Fremen   
   >> > The Machines as the remainder of the Empire   
   >> > And finally not knowing if Neo/Paul is really dead or just off in   
   >> > the wilderness because were he to return he would not be a mere   
   >> > mortal but a god.   
   >>   
   >> That's easy, it's the ending of a Matrix movie therefore he got in a   
   >> coma.   
   >>   
   >> > Did anyone else pick up on this possible influence, or have I just   
   >> > been reading too much of Herbert's work lately? :D   
   >>   
   >> I don't remember much of _Dune_ apart from boredom, and didn't read   
   >> the sequels, but recently I reread Mary Gentle's _Ash_ (well, the   
   >> 4-book US edition):   
   >>   
   >> - plenty of fight scenes   
   >> - war between human soldiers and machinery with a grudge against   
   >> everyone   
   >> - machines getting some other people to do their bidding   
   >> - lack of sunlight 24/7   
   >> - electronic communications   
   >> - minds hooked up directly to computers   
   >> - uploaded personalities   
   >> - one token bigshot with built-in anti-machinery capabilities at a   
   >> time   
   >> - religious allusions   
   >> - sometimes a high-tech/low-life attitude   
   >> - machines turning out to actually have a good point   
   >> - human/machine attempt at truce/deal/whatever   
      
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