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   From: vagans@eanna.net   
      
   On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, ghost wrote:   
      
   > In article ,   
   >  Sourcerer  wrote:   
      
      
      
   > > I actually liked the original Matrix up to the point when Morpheus   
   > > appeared and his portentiously shallow utterances, which put it on a   
   > > level with a 1970s Marvel Comic book for me.   
      
      
      
   > I've always assumed that Matrix was just a comic book in movie form,   
      
      
      
   > I never took it seriously, maybe that's why I'm not so mad at it for not   
   > delivering something serious.   
      
   Okay. I like such films, too. I draw the line, though, at films that are   
   obviously conscious of cyberpunk, or are really cyberpunk tho' godawful   
   -- Johnny Mnemonic. I guess I want to see a real and good cp film before   
   I die, is all. The Matrix and Johnny set a bad example of what a cp film   
   should be. The creative geniuses can make it easy on themselves and just   
   remake Brainstorm(1983), but with a cyberpunk mood (that was a film   
   about prototyping simstim, cracking corporate networks, nefarious   
   government and military plots, and freeing up information, so it   
   shouldn't be too difficult for them to work out).   
      
   > > I like some films that are seriously flawed one way or another. Dark   
   > > City, for example; not even Kiefer Sutherland's incomprehensibly hammy   
   > > performance ruins it, imo. But not the Matrix Franchise. That went too   
   > > far.   
   >   
   > Dark City was an excellent movie and ranks very high on my list of Must   
   > See movies. I didn't think Kiefer was any worse in that movie than the   
   > other actors personally. But then I actually don't mind his acting.   
      
   He's in one of my Must See's and is part of the reason it's a Must See:   
   Flatliners(1990). One of the truely mindless criticisms of Dark City is   
   that the characters are shallow or not very well developed or lack   
   continuity or the actors performances lack depth (to which I can only   
   reply "Well, Duuuuh!!"). But KS character is different than the   
   others. It ought to have depth and nuance. It doesn't. Not a fatal flaw,   
   though.   
      
   > > I have hopes for I, Robot. We'll see.   
   >   
   > indeed, it will be worth checking out.   
      
   Proyas isn't credited with the screenplay, so I can only hope.   
      
      
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