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   Message 609 of 2,235   
   Sourcerer to Kevin Calder   
   Re: TCPA Is Probably Going to Control Ev   
   24 Nov 03 17:57:44   
   
   From: vagans@eanna.net   
      
   On Mon, 24 Nov 2003, Kevin Calder wrote:   
      
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   > In message ,   
   > Sourcerer  writes   
      
      
      
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   > >On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Kevin Calder wrote:   
   >   
   > >> In message ,   
   > >> Sourcerer  writes   
      
      
      
   > >Between now and then, there will be a collapse of the global finance   
   > >system. It is something less of a toss-up who will recover from it first   
   > >and best. Odds are it will be China, imo.   
   >   
   > My understanding of global economics never really made it past Adam   
   > Smith, who I understand is now a little out of date, so you'll have to   
   > forgive me for not understanding why global finance is about to   
   > collapse. I'm sure we'd be interested if you, or anyone else would care   
   > to post more on it though!   
      
   The system was established at the end of WWII when the allies made the   
   US dollar the world's trade currency (nominally, the dollar price of   
   gold). National currencies were controlled and did not travel and   
   international trade settlement occured in dollars. With the   
   demonetization of gold in the early 70s, the dollar became the world's   
   reserve currency, as well. It is the foundation of the transformation of   
   the US economy from an economy of production to one of consumption.   
      
   The US's major export is dollars with which it purchases commodities   
   from foreign producers. It is a sweet deal, since there is no   
   competition in the production of dollars (counterfeiting   
   notwithstanding). The US simply produces dollars to match the price of   
   the commodities imported. Since the cost of producing dollars is   
   negligible, the US gets its imports nearly for free.   
      
   However, the US has a vested interest in getting its imports at the   
   lowest possible price, because the domestic economy thrives on 'adding   
   value' between the port of departure and the WalMart. Therefore, the US   
   insists on 'free and open trade', meaning encouraging foreign economies   
   to be 'export oriented' thereby increasing competition among nations   
   exporting to the US, thus lowering the port of departure price.   
      
   The most important commodity for a modern economy is a finite one: oil,   
   which continues to be priced in dollars (so is gold) on the world   
   market. The oil producers who price in another currency (the Euro),   
   Venezuela and Iraq, as well as those that seriously consider it (Iran)   
   are, of course, at the top of the US shit list and have a future called   
   'regime change'.   
      
   The world order can be arranged in a hierarchy of states according to   
   how well their national economies can prosper under this system in   
   comparison to any possible alternative.   
      
   So, at the top, just beneath the US, are Japan and England; just below   
   that, the EU. Farther down are China and Asia ex-Japan and India. Then   
   near the bottom is Russia, and at the bottom are the oil-exporting   
   nations (the Muslim world, mostly).   
      
   The US intends to control oil, first to continue its pricing in the   
   dollar exclusively, and second to turn a finite resource into a scarce   
   one or not as we please.   
      
   The problematic here is that the growing new economies (China and India)   
   cannot continue to grow without easy access to the world oil market. If   
   the US succeeds in making oil scarce, it means the US can control the   
   development of the growing economies. China, for example would have to   
   become as compliant as Japan and England to US policy.   
      
   I believe China (and possibly India) has no intention of doing that, and   
   so will enter the world political stage in its own interests taking much   
   of Asia with it. Russia, a major but expensive oil producer, also does   
   not intend to be a US client. All these nations will attempt to disrupt   
   the global financial system to their benefit. The EU will play its hand   
   to create as level a playing field possible between the emerging   
   economic powers and the US coalition, which means the US can no longer   
   consider the EU states 'allies', since the levelling benefits the new   
   economies by default (and thereby enhancing the EUs diplomatic and   
   economic position). The EU, or at least Germany, has a community of   
   interest with Russia, as well.   
      
   Then at the bottom are the Muslim oil producers, who are looking for a   
   way out of the system. A way out has been offered by the jihadis.   
      
   The whole thing depends on the continued acceptance of the dollar as the   
   world reserve currency, which means acceptance of the role of being an   
   economy dependent on export to the US, which means recycling dollars   
   back to the US in exchange for US debt instruments (treasury bills,   
   notes and bonds). Basically, accepting a world order in which the US   
   sets the rules, rules by which the US gains everything for nothing, the   
   'nothing' being other nations' well being and independence.   
      
   Since the US (and also Japan, England, the EU) is closing in on the   
   demographic finale of its consumer culture phase, it cannot maintain   
   much less grow its level of consumption. Therefore, the US (or   
   Anglo-American) system can only continue to grow by dominating the   
   *domestic* economies of the emerging economic powers. Seen in this   
   light, the rest of the world (to the degree they are on the scale above)   
   have a vested interest in destroying the current financial system which   
   privleges the US and threatens their well being and independence.   
      
      
      
      
      
      
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