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   From: trminlxGARBAGE@bitstreamnet.com   
      
   In article ,   
    Kevin Calder  wrote:   
      
   > This is true, but it just demonstrates that our conception of "gravity"   
   > has been reformed several times, each time in an attempt to make it   
   > correlate more satisfyingly with our conception of something that seems   
   > to be occurring within our conception "objective reality" (sorry if that   
   > was a bit verbose, but I am trying to be clear).  Note that the closest   
   > that we can get to "objective reality" is our subjective conception of   
   > it.  So if you want to start talking about, or thinking about "gravity"   
   > you need some sort knowledge of it.  So my point was that claiming that   
   > "gravity exists" independently of human understanding is nonsensical   
   > because "gravity" and "existence" are both man made, man dependant   
   > concepts.  They were both constructed from a subjective point of view,   
   > and therefor are only applicable in terms of subjectivity.   
      
      
   "gravity" is not a man made concept. It's a man made label to explain a   
   phenomenon that occurs independent of our actual understanding of how it   
   works.   
      
   What's the saying? "Reality is what's left after you stop believing in   
   it."   
      
   Phisophical debates about subject/objective reality based observations   
   aside, the thing we call "gravity" will stick around regardless of our   
   level of understanding of why it does what it does. It could just as   
   easily be called froonblat.   
      
   alias merely said that "gravity is" ... and there's not a lot of room   
   for argument there. People have conversations based around the effects   
   of gravity every day without any great understanding of calculus or   
   physics.   
      
   A lot of this goes back to the idea of "If i leave the room does   
   everyone else in it cease to exist?" ... subjectilvely yes, objectively   
   no.   
      
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