From: alias@removenetserver.org   
      
   On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 00:01:51 +0000, Kevin Calder wrote:   
      
   note: a quick reply before the subjective reality of "work" intervenes.   
   more to come when i'm on the clock..   
      
   [sniporama]   
      
   >   
   >>"gravity" is not a man made concept.   
   >   
   > I conscious that I'm banging on about this, but...   
      
   bang on.   i'm enjoying the thread.. its forcing my diffuse personal   
   theories into some sort of order.   
      
   [snip]   
      
   > So, "there is no there, there"*, effectively.   
   >   
   > Objectivity is merely an incidental artefact-   
   >   
   > Damn it!  What am I even talking about?   
   >   
   > Cmon people!  String me up!  Im sure this position isn't unassailable!   
   >   
   > *(Hrmmm, I thought it was Gibson, but doesn't seem to be....  Where did   
   > I get that from?  Anyone?  For extra credit?)   
      
   gertrude stein.  gibson referenced the quote a few times.. in his blog,   
   various interviews.. but he's quoting her ; )   
      
      
   >>ghost   
   >>(avoiding blue pill/red pill references like hell!)   
   >   
   > Seriously man, if those damned films had even brushed up against these   
   > kinds of arguments I would have rushed to their defence.  What a waste!   
   >   
      
   well .. they evidently based most of their ideas on Jean Baudrillard..   
   this is blindingly obvious if u read "Simulacra and Simulation" .. often   
   Morpheus is quoting the text word for word.   
      
   the problem is Baudrillard isn't all that impressive.. some interesting   
   ideas.. and he gets a 10 out of 10 for timeliness.. but his ideas are   
   often broken, flawed, and incomplete.. my biggest complaint is that the   
   text is often using unnecessarily complicated language to describe simple   
   things.. (.. nothing wrong with 10 cent words when needed.. but   
   IMO to use them unnecessarily when discussing already complicated   
   ideas is just silly.. i often got the impression he was purposely   
   obfuscating his discussion to mask the fact that he was spouting   
   nonsense. ..possibly a problem resulting from the translator.. i don't   
   speak or read french so i have to rely upon the english version)   
      
   i also saw large holes in his definition of "simulate" and dissimulate",   
   the premise much of his discussion is based upon.. its not surprising i   
   dislike the guy when u consider i didn't even accept his most basic points.  ;   
   )   
      
      
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