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   From: trminlxGARBAGE@bitstreamnet.com   
      
   In article <3ys4MaTvToy$EwwH@cableinet.co.uk>,   
    Kevin Calder  wrote:   
      
      
   [starting over here]   
      
      
   It seems to me that we're starting to confuse the idea of communicating   
   the concept of 'gravity' (we're sticking to that point because, well,   
   it's there - apply as ness. to anything you want) and experiencing   
   'gravity' and the idea that either way 'gravity' is there whether or not   
   we can talk about it or experience it  at any given moment.   
      
   Let's take astonauts .. up in the shuttle as they orbit the planet they   
   experience zero-gravity (with all the floaty bits involved) - this is   
   the subjective reality they are in. For them there is no gravity, but we   
   know this to be not true. Gravity still is.   
      
   They aren't in a place without gravity at all, they're in a constant   
   state of freefall that manages to emulate the same subjective feeling as   
   "no gravity". Objectively speaking, they're just falling all the time.   
      
   Get where I'm going? Gravity Is. whether you feel it in a relative sense   
   is irrelevant, it's just a thing that is. a phenonmenon that exists   
   outside our need/ability to explain/communicate or experience it.   
      
   Subjectivity begins to fade when you have more than one perception   
   point. When a group of people get together and experience something each   
   one experiences that thing slightly differently based on subjective   
   perceptions (reality, it turns out, is mutable). If they both   
   experienced that exact same thing to a third party but came away with a   
   different perception of it, does it mean they exeperienced two different   
   things - not to person three.   
      
   Objectivity is what happens when someone tells me China Is Over There.   
   Well, I've never been to China, I can't say it's there - in fact I can   
   flat out deny it based on my subjective reality of no experiencing   
   'China' .. but when a couple hundred million people say "China is   
   There." I'm probably gonna go with it and say, "Sure." If we all went   
   around going only by our subjective experiences then mankind would have   
   failed a couple thousand years ago.   
      
   Alias hit it, certain things have to be assumed or we'd all just sort of   
   go crazy - and not in a good way.   
      
   ghost   
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