From: ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand   
      
   In article <3ivnsvsau6amu0kh161hrr4lafqso6gjuq@4ax.com>,   
    ded-T  wrote:   
      
   >who says reality follows logic and not math? who says your logic is   
   >even real? i can't grant that it is.   
      
   Because you are assuming that the statement "my logic is not real" is   
   real. Therefore you are granting the existence of things which can be   
   real. And if you can do this, why can't I?   
      
   >logic is irrelevant to "reality" [assuming there is such a thing] the   
   >reference was to 'objective / subjective reality'. you assume that   
   >your logic 'applies' to 'objective / subjective reality' and that you   
   >can 'objectively' deduct it.   
      
   Are you trying to argue logically?   
      
   >You cannot prove whether anything exists or not without 'pulling the   
   >objective reality rabbit out of the hat' which logic by itself cannot   
   >do.   
      
   Is this statement objectively true? If so, it is itself part of the   
   objective reality you say must be pulled out of a hat.   
      
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