From: Omixochitl2002@yahoo.com
3ngine wrote in
news:qik7tvgvdilpplb48ftmdab1oe2h0ebhi3@4ax.com:
> On 8 Dec 2003 00:59:07 GMT, Omixochitl
> wrote:
>
> I would argue that steampunk is a separate genre from cyberpunk.
> Also, I'm a bit leery of including "nanopunk" with it's parent.
Hey, they're still cyber, even if the computers in question are Babbage
Engines or really tiny or formatted like schoolgirl primers. :)
> The def that you gave seems to fit, but what about the "punk" bit?
Seems to me that the attitude is more important than the nostalgia. I
mean, _Diamond Age_ was also a female-coming-of-age story and totally
kicked Judy Blume's ass in that department.
> I've always felt that cyberpunk needs to incorporate the mood and feel
> of the 80's in order to be truly considered cyberpunk. What would
How 1980s does it have to be before it's not punk anymore?
> _Neuromancer_ be without the nostalgic feel of a Hitachi 1mb computer,
> _Snow_Crash_'s b&w personae in the Metaverse, or huge bug-eyed VR
> goggles in _Islands_In_The_Net_?
>
> I'm perfectly willing to change my definition if I'm faced with enough
> proof, but I strongly believe that CP is literature describing
> "futuristic computer-based societies" written by punks listening to
> Ministry. Thoughts?
Does Ministry of Sound count? ;)
>>3ngine wrote in
>>news:rgh7tvsq4ei9f6nrg9vitf8atgupa40mvq@4ax.com:
>>
>>> Greetings all! I'm currently doing some research for my Masters
>>> thesis, and would just like a few quick opinions: in my own personal
>>> opinion, I think that the cyberpunk movement started in 1980 with
>>> Shirley's _City_Come_A_Walkin'_ and pretty much ended in '92 with
>>> Stephenson's _Snow_Crash_. Can anybody come up with any influential
>>> books/short stories to the genre either before 1980 or after '92?
>>
>>Stephenson's _Diamond Age_ which with Gibson and Sterling's _Difference
>>Engine_ spawned the steampunk subset of cyberpunk, Nagata's copycat
>>wannabe _Bohr Maker_, and even some Matrix 2 stuff. ;)
>>
>>> I'm not sure that Gibson's bridge trilogy fits into the definition of
>>> cyberpunk, nor am I 100% sure that _Heavy_Weather_ by Sterling fits
>>> the bill. Any thoughts on this? This is very preliminary research;
>>
>>They seem to fit into the genre pretty well to me. :)
>>
>>> I'm pretty much compiling a list of CP books/stories that I'll be
>>> looking at, so feel free to jump in with anything you've got. Thx.
>>
>>To rip myself off for a moment:
>>
>>"Well, CP isn't actually dead. :) It's way more near-futurism of the
>>technology and the pace and mood of the story, than the actual tech
>>specs, that make a story cyberpunk. This came up on alt.cyberpunk a
>>while back too:
>>
>>"Do we have
>>"* Nanofaxes (_All Tomorrow's Parties_, William Gibson, 1999)? No.
>>"* the Young Lady's Illustrated Primer (_The Diamond Age_, Neal
>>Stephenson, 1995)? No.
>>"* time-travelling cyborgs (the Company series, Kage Baker, 1997->)?
>>Nope.
>>"* court verdicts delivered by juries of 10,000 uploaded minds and
>>jails that monitor prisoners via smart chemical bags on their arms
>>(_Futureland_, Walter Mosely, 2001)? Nah.
>>"* ISPs that deliver sensory data directly into your brain (_Everyone
>>in Silico_, Jim Munroe, 2002)? Nyet.
>>"* journalists who record stuff with cameras implanted in their heads
>>(_The Fortunate Fall_, Raphael Carter, 1997)? Not this one either.
>>
>>"Yet all of those stories are cyberpunk! :)
>>
>>"[ working with http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=cyberpunk :
>>cy·ber·punk (si"ber-punk') n.
>>Fast-paced science fiction involving futuristic computer-based
>>societies.
>>cy"ber·punk' adj.
>>here]"
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