From: alias.remove@netserver.org   
      
   On 2003-12-08, 3ngine  wrote:   
   >   
   > I would argue that steampunk is a separate genre from cyberpunk.   
   > Also, I'm a bit leery of including "nanopunk" with it's parent.   
   >   
   > The def that you gave seems to fit, but what about the "punk" bit?   
   > I've always felt that cyberpunk needs to incorporate the mood and feel   
   > of the 80's in order to be truly considered cyberpunk.  What would   
   > _Neuromancer_ be without the nostalgic feel of a Hitachi 1mb computer,   
   > _Snow_Crash_'s b&w personae in the Metaverse, or huge bug-eyed VR   
   > goggles in _Islands_In_The_Net_?   
   >   
   > I'm perfectly willing to change my definition if I'm faced with enough   
   > proof,   
      
   mighty white of ya.   
      
      
   >but I strongly believe that CP is literature describing   
   > "futuristic computer-based societies" written by punks listening to   
   > Ministry.  Thoughts?   
      
   well.. i feel fairly confident in stating WG is "cyberpunk" .. its also   
   common knowledge that:   
      
   1. he knows next to nothing about computers (read "Pattern Recognition"   
   for further evidence.. if u can't spot the glaring comp-u-errors then u   
   too, know next to nothing about computers.)   
   2. he doesn't listen to ministry. (ok.. i could be wrong here.. but i'd   
   be shocked if i was)   
   3. he's not a punk.   
      
   IMO the guy looks like a wacky lit proffessor.  he's about as punk rock   
   as my mom.  not that this is a problem.. he's an excellent writer and   
   his appearence/musical tastes don't matter on that score..   
      
   as to the definition of cyberpunk (damn.. i'm about to awnser the   
   question.. i blame the tumors myself) i've always maintained it had more   
   to do with future shock than technology.  there is a difference ; )   
      
   i think alot of the reason cyberpunk is dead dead dead is there is no   
   longer that huge well of anomie to tap into.. we have all (more or less)   
   adapted to the tech that surrounds us.. PC's are no longer revolutionary   
   thier just there.. ubiquitous and unalarming..   
      
   a classically "cyberpunk" story is now nothing more than realism..   
      
   i think Mr. G recognized this when he set PR in the present day.. he no   
   longer needs to use the future to tell the stories he's interested in..   
      
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