From: rasmus.hungnes@cih.uib.no.XXX   
      
   I tend to think of Philip K. Dicks "Do androids dream of electric sheep"   
   (1968) as the beginning of, or at least the intro to CP. It includes   
   both AI and cybernetics, a megacoorporation and an antihero, some kind   
   of cyberspace/VR based religion is what most people believe in, and it   
   is rather noir in an urban dystopian post-nuclear futuristic way.   
   CP themes can also be found in japanese manga. "Ghost in the Shell"   
   (completed 1991) by Masamune Shirow is an excellent example that   
   everyone should read (the manga is litterarily better than the anime).   
   "GITS 2: Man Machine Interface" was released in 2001. Haven't read it   
   yet though, so I can't say anything about it.   
      
   ---   
   LadaBoy   
   shootthedog.org   
      
   3ngine wrote:   
      
   > On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 01:04:24 GMT, Ross Winn  wrote:   
   >   
   > Okay, having thought about it a little more, I think that cyberpunk   
   > could be defined as literature that exists between Shirley's _Walkin'_   
   > and the rise of the Internet's popularity in the beginning of the   
   > 90's.  I'd then focus it to works of lit that deal with AIs, tech   
   > augmentation, zaibatsus/megacorps, antiheroes (or fall and redemption   
   > of the hero, perhaps akin to the protagonists in gothic literature   
   > circa 19th century or hard-boiled detective fiction of the early   
   > 20th), and especially the concept of a pre-Internet Internet.   
   >   
   > Neuromancer trilogy -> cyberspace   
   > Islands in the Net -> VR goggles that connected to the rest of the   
   > company   
   > Snow Crash -> Metaverse   
   > City come a walkin' -> pre-computer link between incarnated Cities   
   >   
   > After '92, works by Gibson, Sterling, Cadigan, Stephenson become much   
   > more aware of the Net and incorporate it into their writing; this   
   > presents a marked difference between works before and after '92.   
   >   
   > Am I being too dogmatic here?   
   >   
   >   
   >>In article ,   
   >>3ngine  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>Greetings all!  I'm currently doing some research for my Masters   
   >>>thesis, and would just like a few quick opinions: in my own personal   
   >>>opinion, I think that the cyberpunk movement started in 1980 with   
   >>>Shirley's _City_Come_A_Walkin'_ and pretty much ended in '92 with   
   >>>Stephenson's _Snow_Crash_.  Can anybody come up with any influential   
   >>>books/short stories to the genre either before 1980 or after '92?   
   >>>   
   >>>I'm not sure that Gibson's bridge trilogy fits into the definition of   
   >>>cyberpunk, nor am I 100% sure that _Heavy_Weather_ by Sterling fits   
   >>>the bill.  Any thoughts on this?  This is very preliminary research;   
   >>>I'm pretty much compiling a list of CP books/stories that I'll be   
   >>>looking at, so feel free to jump in with anything you've got.  Thx.   
      
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