From: alias.remove@netserver.org   
      
   On 2003-12-08, Omixochitl  wrote:   
      
   >> sure... but without that sense of future shock also surrounding the   
   >> *reader* it doesn't resonate in the same way.  i recall reading   
   >   
   > No no no, I'm talking about stuff *with* that sense of future shock.   
   >   
   >> Neuromancer for the 1st time (when i was about 12 or so.. and much too   
   >> young to really understand it) and actually *struggling* with so me of   
   >> the concepts it presented.   
   >>   
   >> had i been born in 1985 instead of 1975 i think i would have had a   
   >> much easier time convieving the idea of the internet (which at the   
   >> time i could not) .. how long has it been since someone needed such   
   >> simple things explained to them?   
   >   
   > So for a reader born in 1985 a movel would need tech more advanced than   
   > _Neuromancer_ has in order to give him or her the same sense of future   
   > shock that _Neuromancer_ gave you.  All I'm saying is that having such   
   > tech doesn't mean that novel can't be cyberpunk.  ;)   
   >   
      
   i don't think its the same thing.. in the early 80's that sense of   
   future shock enveloped people who would never read CP fiction.. it was   
   *everywhere* .. not contained in a book with some crazy ideas.. the   
   books drew from the confusion in the real world, not the other way   
   around.   
      
   without that same fast moving change.. i don't think it could ever be   
   the same..   
      
   and we're very used to computers now.  thier everywhere.   
      
   so.. u'd have to shock us with something else.. the edge has moved on..   
   thats why its called "the edge" its tiny and precarious..  .. once it   
   stops moving, like cp, it dies.   
      
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