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   From: trminlxGARBAGE@bitstreamnet.com   
      
   In article <221ctvkoqdaaarqaskkjhvkaf80jeac0q2@4ax.com>,   
    3ngine  wrote:   
      
   > First of all, all of this depends on whether the work of lit we're   
   > talking about is a short story or novel. I'm sure that Johnny Mnemonic   
   > would have included cyberspace if it were a novel instead of a SS.   
      
   It shouldn't matter, CP lit. is CP lit., whether in the short story or   
   the novel form. You can't say, oh but if it were a full book it'd   
   have... it doesn't work that way. Granted they are two different mediums   
   requiring two different styles. But you can't discount the short stories   
   becuase "they didn't have room for all that stuff" .. if "all that   
   stuff" (whatever it may be) were needed for the story it'd have had it.   
      
   > Having said that, I think that cyberspace/metaverse/Internet is very   
   > important to the genre.  The Cities in _City Come A Walkin'_ all   
   > communicate with each other, right?  I see the network in _Walkin'_ as   
   > metaphorical instead of reality-based (as in, Gibson anticipating the   
   > Net in Neuromancer).  But it's only one aspect of CP lit, and SS are   
   > usually too short to deal with more than one or two core CP elements   
   > or themes.   
      
   One aspect .. you got it. It's an aspect, not a defining poit. You could   
   very well say that all CP needs some form of cyberpnetic implants. And   
   just because the Cities 'talked' doesn't mean it was meant as a   
   proto-net .. in that vein anyone who's written a letter was part of the   
   proto-net and that goes back a few hundred years. Communication itself   
   does not denote a proto-internet in any way.   
      
   > NEway, I didn't mean to talk about cyberspace within CP lit -- I   
   > wanted to talk about CP authors who weren't yet influenced by the   
   > Internet as a global phenomenon.  Sure, BBSs and Compuserve were   
   > around back then (aah, the memories), but Compuserve was largely an   
   > American phenomenon (right?) and BBSs were so delocalised so as to not   
   > even make a blip on society's radar.   
   >   
   > I don't think that anybody really conceived of the idea that, in the   
   > future, the entire world would be wired - except CP authors.  After 92   
   > or so, when the Net looked like it was going to explode, CP authors   
   > jumped all over that.   
      
   Find a book called "Nerds 2.0" ... People have been dreaming of   
   something "internet like" since the 60s. It was not a new concept in the   
   early 80s by any means.   
      
   > Is this making any sense?  Once CP fused with the Net (in reality), it   
   > *changed*, shifted, whatever - it was no longer a prophetic vision of   
   > a future, but the scientific extrapolation of current technologies and   
   > how they would look in fifteen, twenty, fifty years.   
      
   Wasn't it always an extrapolation of the current technologies .. I mean,   
   isn't that what a "near-future-vision" is supposed to be?   
      
   And yes, I contributed to the ACC.Anthology. And oddly enough my story   
   didn't contain a visible internet .. though admitedly it borders on   
   basic SF themse more than CP, I was going for a CP feel in a different   
   setting. Did I succeed? not sure.   
      
      
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