From: vagans@inanna.eanna.net   
      
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   Informatik  wrote:   
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   >But tell me Saurcerer,   
      
   Sourcerer, please.   
      
   > isnt it Cyberpunk - a pathway which if followed   
   >deeply, will lead either to a "death_ end" or to the knowledge that   
   >cyberpunk is nothing to hold on to?   
      
   Following anything deeply isn't cp, imo. I don't know what kind   
   of pathway cp could be, unless it's one that leads to the dire   
   condition of writing sf. As a social phenomenon, cp has been   
   pretty much confined to the internet and other media.   
      
   I agree almost entirely with what Bruce wrote in his cyberpunk   
   in the 90s article. What he terms 'bohemia', I've termed 'the   
   counterculture'.   
      
   >It might have been a hip for the  80's and 90's, now isnt it a   
   >history, a model one of the many dead models. Sci-fi to read, but for   
   >the many people I know from russia it's a religious living, a   
   >life-style, a way to shape one's appearance toward society and   
   >officials. An isolation, a dark gothic formation, some still keep it   
   >alive underground - but untill when ?   
      
   I can understand and sympathize with young Russians for just about   
   anything personally destructive they might do or have done, considering   
   the disorienting social condition they have experienced. But they   
   will have to come up with something better than dark gothic   
   moods if they want to alter their circumstances.   
      
   The young Russians I know, of course, are immigrants in the US;   
   most are involved in sw devel, but not all -- I know shopgirls   
   and housewives who came from Moscow and Chechnya and stops   
   inbetween. They are probably the best educated and intelligent   
   grouping of people I've met. I hope all the Russians like   
   them are not leaving Russia. Such people are a sign of hope   
   for me, you might say.   
      
   We knew, as well, mafiosi (the "Boris's" they're called here   
   -- or rather  "there" when we lived back East), mostly thru   
   hw and sw aquisition. Now that I think of it, last year,   
   Russians organized a scheme to steal wallets from cars parked   
   in the national parks near us; they shopped the credit cards   
   in Las Vegas. Very inventive.   
      
   >Damn, I mean just one thing:   
   >Rationaly, tell me - is cyberpunk something of your .sign file --- the   
   >more you search for something that does not exist - the craziest you   
   >become, while reaching it..   
      
   I suppose there are people searching for cyberpunk (although here   
   they are usually searching for a definition of cyberpunk); they   
   can find it at Barnes & Noble. The .sig is a quote from a   
   review of the film Pi.   
      
   But if you mean hacker-crime and setting yourself against   
   the state and its police. That's not cp. That is just stupid.   
      
   Or maybe I do not understand what your meaning.   
      
      
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