From: soulkarsten@gmail.com   
      
   TheSun, 12 Oct 2025 19:43:56 +0300, flashheart wrote:   
      
   > On 10/12/25 19:33, MasterKarsten wrote:   
   >> TheSun, 12 Oct 2025 17:31:02 +0300, flashheart wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>> As AI bots like ChatGPT become inextricably tangled with people’s   
   >>>> private and public lives, it’s causing unpredictable new crises.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> One of these collision points is in romantic relationships, where an   
   >>>> uncanny dynamic is unfolding across the world: one person in a couple   
   >>>> becomes fixated on ChatGPT or another bot — for some combination of   
   >>>> therapy, relationship advice, or spiritual wisdom — and ends up   
   >>>> tearing the partnership down as the AI makes more and more radical   
   >>>> interpersonal suggestions.   
   >>>   
   >>>> In one chaotic recording we obtained, two married women are inside a   
   >>>> moving car, their two young children sitting in the backseat.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The tension in the vehicle is palpable. The marriage has been on the   
   >>>> rocks for months, and the wife in the passenger seat, who recently   
   >>>> requested an official separation, has been asking her spouse not to   
   >>>> fight with her in front of their kids. But as the family speeds down   
   >>>> the roadway, the spouse in the driver’s seat pulls out a smartphone   
   >>>> and starts quizzing ChatGPT’s Voice Mode about their relationship   
   >>>> problems, feeding the chatbot leading prompts that result in the AI   
   >>>> browbeating her wife in front of their preschool-aged children.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> After funneling her complaints into ChatGPT, the driver asks the bot   
   >>>> to analyze the prompts as if “a million therapists” were going to   
   >>>> “read and weigh in.”   
   >>>>   
   >>>> “The responses you’ve described would likely be considered unfair and   
   >>>> emotionally harmful by the majority of marriage therapists,” the   
   >>>> chatbot responds at a loud volume, while mirroring back the same   
   >>>> language used in the prompt with flowery therapy-speak. It offers no   
   >>>> pushback, nor does it attempt to reframe the driver’s perspective. At   
   >>>> one point, the chatbot accuses the wife in the passenger seat of   
   >>>> engaging in “avoidance through boundaries” by requesting that they   
   >>>> not fight in front of their kids — while those very children sit in   
   >>>> the vehicle, just feet away.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> It goes on and on, with ChatGPT monologuing while the wife it’s being   
   >>>> wielded against occasionally tries to cut in over its robotic   
   >>>> lecture.   
   >>>> The spouse prompting the bot, meanwhile, mutters approving   
   >>>> commentary: “that’s right,” “mm-hmm,” “see?”   
   >>>>   
   >>>> “Please keep your eyes on the road,” the wife being lectured by the   
   >>>> AI pleads at one point.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> This was a regular occurrence, she told us, in which her spouse would   
   >>>> pull out ChatGPT and prompt it to agree with her in long-winded   
   >>>> diatribes.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> “We were arguing a lot… we would be up all night, and I would assert   
   >>>> a boundary, or say, like, ‘I don’t want to have this discussion in   
   >>>> front of the kids,’ or ‘I need to go to bed,’” she recounted,   
   “and   
   >>>> [my ex]   
   >>>> would immediately turn on ChatGPT and start talking to it, and be   
   >>>> like, ‘can you believe what she’s doing?'”   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Her ex would carry out these conversations with ChatGPT on speaker   
   >>>> phone, she added — within earshot, pointedly, so she could hear   
   >>>> everything.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> “[My ex] would have it on speaker phone, and then have it speak not   
   >>>> to me, but it would be in the same room,” she recalled. “And of   
   >>>> course, ChatGPT was this confirmative voice, being like, ‘you’re so   
   >>>> right.'”   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Today, the former couple, together nearly 15 years, is in the midst   
   >>>> of a contentious divorce and custody battle.   
   >>>   
   >>>> Even Geoffrey Hinton, a Nobel Prize-winning computer scientist known   
   >>>> as a “Godfather of AI” — a technology that likely wouldn’t exist   
   in   
   >>>> its current form without his contributions — recently conceded that   
   >>>> his girlfriend had broken up with him using ChatGPT.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> “She got ChatGPT to tell me what a rat I was… she got the chatbot to   
   >>>> explain how awful my behavior was and gave it to me,” Hinton told The   
   >>>> Financial Times. “I didn’t think I had been a rat, so it didn’t make   
   >>>> me feel too bad.”   
   >>>   
   >>> and many more examples of LLM induced retardation @   
   >>> https://futurism.com/chatgpt-marriages-divorces   
   >>>   
   >>> We are currently careening towards a future where people will become   
   >>> increasingly solitary because some autocomplete trained on billions of   
   >>> reddit comments is telling them to terminate their relationships.   
   >>> This is clearly happening on accident, I don't think Sam Altman   
   >>> personally wants people breaking up because of his chatbot.   
   >>> However, now that Pandora's box is opened, do you think that   
   >>> Generative AI companies will begin manipulating people towards   
   >>> atomization?   
   >>> Love and the fulfillment derived from it is one of the few things that   
   >>> cannot be bought and sold in this increasingly financialized present.   
   >>> There are powerful interests against people deriving enjoyment out of   
   >>> something that isn't a product.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> It's the people not the LLM... Why one should ask certain stuff to AI   
   >> is beyond me   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   > The people wouldn't act like this if it weren't for the existence of   
   > LLMs, not at this scale. Many people now admit that they use ChatGPT as   
   > a therapist or interlocutor. What happens when   
   > OpenAI/Google/Meta/Anthropic figure out that they can manipulate people   
   > by modifying the Language models? How are they going to choose to   
   > manipulate them? They figured out mass manipulation through social media   
   > quickly enough.   
      
   They are comfortably selling themselves. You guys in the states really gave   
   yourself away.   
      
      
      
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