From: rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com   
      
   john bates wrote:   
      
   > "David T. Ashley"  wrote   
   >   
   > > If this is true, and if all the control systems failed, it may very well   
   > > be that the flying pilot had only rudder control but didn't realize it.   
   > > Using the rudder will also affect the aircraft bank angle, as it causes   
   > > the outside wing to generate more lift.   
   >   
   > I agree   
      
   The control systems DIDN'T fail   
      
      
   > and one of the eyewitnesses did say that at approx half a mile   
   >    away a wing went down and soon corrected to level flight, he said 40   
   >    degrees which is a lot   
      
   And this is a good example of why so-called eyewitnesses aren't given too much   
   credibility by accident investigators.   
      
   Graham   
      
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