From: rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com   
      
   user@nouse.org wrote:   
      
   > Some have said the plane just dropped from 200 feet, bull. That would have   
   meant   
   > a lot of very   
   > serious injuries.   
      
   You bet.   
      
      
   > As far as the digital system (broad sense) goes, that's a good   
   > suspect but I'm still unclear about this business of simultaneous   
   > dual engine outage. It seems that no engines were available, alright,   
   > but has anyone said they were both lost at the same time as   
   > opposed to very far apart?   
      
   Yes they have. Simultaneous failure to respond to a demand for power, initally   
   from the auto-throttle and then failure to respond to a manual movement of the   
   throttles. Something electrical/electronic or software related looks very   
   suspect   
   right now. Some comment was made that the captain said he lost the avionics.   
      
      
   > Can any 777 types tell from the pictures if all-engines landing flap had been   
   > lowered? That would negate an engine-out approach before the second one   
   packed   
   > up.   
      
   It was in full landing trim.   
      
   Graham   
      
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