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   From: BtB@BB.not.aaaaaaa   
      
   Flydive  wrote in news:4977884a$1_3@news.bluewin.ch:   
      
   > Bertie the Bunyip wrote:   
   >> Flydive  wrote in news:4976104b_6@news.bluewin.ch:   
   >>   
   >>> the.sargon@gmail.com wrote:   
   >>>> On Jan 20, 10:11 am, Flydive  wrote:   
   >>>>> the.sar...@gmail.com wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> Low priority compared to flying the plane, deadstick, in a   
   >> congested   
   >>>>>> urban environment.   
   >>>>>> Or would you rather he spend time looking for a button on the   
   >> panel?   
   >>>>> Well it takes 3 seconds to flip the switch, you should know where   
   >>>>> is located.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> one pilot is flying the aircraft, the other one is assisting and   
   >> going   
   >>>>> through the checklist.   
   >>>> Yep.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Where on the checklist is the instruction to flip this switch?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> One may assume that since it was not flipped it was not at the top   
   >>>> of the list and thus was of a lower priority.  Flying the airplane   
   >>>> and only those steps necessary to (1) avoid obstacles while (2)   
   >>>> setting   
   >> up   
   >>>> for landing are of high(est) priority.   
   >>> The ditch switch is at the top of the ditching checklist and usually   
   >> is   
   >>> a memory item, if you are going to ditch I would say is a priority   
   >> item.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Only if you have time. Ditchig checklists don't have any memory items   
   >> at all, and in fact Bus checklists, with most airlines, have very few   
   >> memory drills. Lkikely the only memory checks are the engine fire   
   >> drill and a pressurisations blowout, and those would have only the   
   >> initial itiems on them.   
   >>   
   >   
   > Well, maybe the Airbus checklist doesn't have memory items, mine does,   
   > the ditch switch is one of them. Other aircraft probably do too   
      
      
   Really? What airlane is that?   
   >   
   >   
   >>> Airliners have 2 pilots and usually only one of them is handling the   
   >>> controls, the other one takes care of the emergency and assists the   
   >>> flying pilot. You say setting up for landing, well if you are   
   >> "landing"   
   >>   
   >> No, you tell him to do what you need him to do in the circumstance.   
   >> In this case, the non handler was probably try to relight and telling   
   >> the cabin and ATC waht was happening.   
   >   
   > They just had multiple bird strikes, with most probably catastrophic   
   > engine failure, I don't think you are going to try a relight in that   
      
   I would   
      
   > situation. I believe they did not communicate much with ATC, and that   
   > task can be done by the flying pilot, no much overload to push the PTT   
   > and say "we are going into the Hudson" as it seems they said. What   
   > part of assisting does not agree with "you tell him to do what you   
   > need him to do in the circumstance"?   
      
   Good grief.   
      
      
   >   
   >>   
   >>> in water the water, prepare the aircraft for ditching is part of it,   
   >>> a priority.   
   >>>   
   >> Nope, not in this case. if they didn;t fly the airplane, the holes in   
   >> the bottom of the airplane would have been the least of their   
   >> problems, since they would have made significantly larger holes.   
   >>   
   >   
   >> Bertie   
   >   
   > One of them was handling the aircraft and did a great job, the   
   > assisting pilot was assisting and following the checklist, you just   
   > have to pick the correct one.   
   >   
      
   i have done.   
      
      
   Bertie   
      
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