XPost: rec.aviation.piloting, alt.usenet.kooks   
   From: BtB@BB.not.aaaaaaa   
      
   "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in news:n9Ndl.8$IT.2@newsfe04.iad:   
      
   >   
   > "Bertie the Bunyip"  wrote in message   
   > news:gl7pc2$93i$8@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...   
   >> Flydive  wrote in news:4977401d$1_7@news.bluewin.ch:   
   >>   
   >>> the.sargon@gmail.com wrote:   
   >>>> On Jan 20, 3:51 pm, Pos...@newsgroups.com wrote:   
   >>>>> On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:28:27 -0800 (PST), the.sar...@gmail.com   
   >>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>> Where on the checklist is the instruction to flip this switch?   
   >>>>> The manual states:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> At 2000 ft   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> CABIN PRESS MODE SEL.............................Check AUTO   
   >>>>> ENG 1 & 2 BLEED, APU BLEED.......................OFF   
   >>>>> P/B DITCHING.....................................ON   
   >>>>> P/A............................................."TOUCHDOWN IN ONE   
   >>>>> MINUTE" Aim for an impact with an 11° body angle and minimum ROD.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Poster   
   >>>>   
   >>>> However if you're also working an inflight engine unstart which takes   
   >>>> precedence?  Clarification: two engine unstart w/inflight emergency.   
   >>>> Quite a bit different from a situation that begins at cruise altitude   
   >>>> or with only *one* emergency rather than a sequence of events.  As a   
   >>>> PAX I would rather know that the crew are concentrating on landing   
   >>>> the aircraft (ditching) as gently as possible.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> That silly switch won't do a thing to save the buoyancy if the   
   >>>> fuselage is fractured by a rough ditching...a point one everyone   
   >>>> seems to miss.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I would hazard (grin) a guess that the final review will show them to   
   >>>> have maintained situational awareness with the concomitant priority   
   >>>> management.   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Again, there are 2 pilots in the cockpit, only one is steering the   
   >>> aircraft. If the captain was flying the aircraft, what was the copilot   
   >>> doing in those 7-8 minutes if he was not going through the emergency   
   >>> checklist? What the use of a perfect water landing if then the   
   >>> aircraft quickly fill with water because the ditching checklist has   
   >>> not been done?   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> There were dozens of things he would be doing. One, determining waht the   
   >> problem was.   
   >> Then, dealing with the immediate problem, an engine failure. Immediate   
   >> relight attempt. Probably the APU was fired up to assist in the relight.   
   >> as they would have been too slow for a windmill start.   
   >> Then a quick call to ATC and probalby a couple of nav selections for the   
   >> captain to look for a runway they could plunk it on.Then back to the   
   >> relight drill. We're taught to keep trying that to the bitter end, BTW.   
   >> They take a minute or so so he wouldn't have had time for more than one   
   >> or two, and that would have been after the APU had fired up, say at   
   >> abotu 1200'.  A couple of calls to the cabin would have been tossed in   
   >> their somewhere as well.   
   >> The act of picking up the book and finding the ditching checklist would   
   >> have taken a good 20-30 seconds...Time they simply did not have.   
   >> And this scenario is not done in the sim, so there would have been no   
   >> trigger for it. BTW, I'm beign generous with the actions they may or may   
   >> not have accomplished in the time they had. But all of them would come   
   >> ahead of doing a "nice to do " ditching checklist.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Bertie   
   >   
   > save the bed time story, you're starting to rattle more than Dudley.   
   >   
      
   Yeh, right wannabe boi.   
      
   Bertie   
      
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