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From: BtB@BB.not.aaaaaaa
the.sargon@gmail.com wrote in
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> On Jan 21, 2:29 pm, "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote:
>> "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in
>> messagenews:gl7pc2$93i
> $8@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > Flydive wrote
>> > innews:4977401d$1_7@news.bluewin.ch:
>>
>> >> the.sar...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>> On Jan 20, 3:51 pm, Pos...@newsgroups.com wrote:
>> >>>> On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:28:27 -0800 (PST), the.sar...@gmail.com
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>> Where on the checklist is the instruction to flip this switch?
>> >>>> The manual states:
>>
>> >>>> At 2000 ft
>>
>> >>>> CABIN PRESS MODE SEL.............................Check AUTO
>> >>>> ENG 1 & 2 BLEED, APU BLEED.......................OFF
>> >>>> P/B DITCHING.....................................ON
>> >>>> P/A............................................."TOUCHDOWN IN
>> >>>> ONE MINUTE" Aim for an impact with an 11 body angle and minimum
>> >>>> ROD.
>>
>> >>>> Poster
>>
>> >>> However if you're also working an inflight engine unstart which
>> >>> takes precedence? Clarification: two engine unstart w/inflight
>> >>> emergency
> .
>> >>> Quite a bit different from a situation that begins at cruise
>> >>> altitude or with only *one* emergency rather than a sequence of
>> >>> events. As
> a
>> >>> PAX I would rather know that the crew are concentrating on
>> >>> landing the aircraft (ditching) as gently as possible.
>>
>> >>> That silly switch won't do a thing to save the buoyancy if the
>> >>> fuselage is fractured by a rough ditching...a point one everyone
>> >>> seems to miss.
>>
>> >>> I would hazard (grin) a guess that the final review will show
>> >>> them to have maintained situational awareness with the
>> >>> concomitant priority management.
>>
>> >> Again, there are 2 pilots in the cockpit, only one is steering the
>> >> aircraft. If the captain was flying the aircraft, what was the
>> >> copilot doing in those 7-8 minutes if he was not going through the
>> >> emergency checklist? What the use of a perfect water landing if
>> >> then the aircraft quickly fill with water because the ditching
>> >> checklist has not been done?
>>
>> > There were dozens of things he would be doing. One, determining
>> > waht th
> e
>> > problem was.
>> > Then, dealing with the immediate problem, an engine failure.
>> > Immediate relight attempt. Probably the APU was fired up to assist
>> > in the relight
> .
>> > as they would have been too slow for a windmill start.
>> > Then a quick call to ATC and probalby a couple of nav selections
>> > for th
> e
>> > captain to look for a runway they could plunk it on.Then back to
>> > the relight drill. We're taught to keep trying that to the bitter
>> > end, BTW. They take a minute or so so he wouldn't have had time for
>> > more than one or two, and that would have been after the APU had
>> > fired up, say at abotu 1200'. A couple of calls to the cabin would
>> > have been tossed i
> n
>> > their somewhere as well.
>> > The act of picking up the book and finding the ditching checklist
>> > would have taken a good 20-30 seconds...Time they simply did not
>> > have. And this scenario is not done in the sim, so there would have
>> > been no trigger for it. BTW, I'm beign generous with the actions
>> > they may or ma
> y
>> > not have accomplished in the time they had. But all of them would
>> > come ahead of doing a "nice to do " ditching checklist.
>>
>> > Bertie
>>
>> save the bed time story, you're starting to rattle more than Dudley.
>
> Speaking of rattle how's your syphilitic cough doing these days?
>
Ewww.
Bertie
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