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On Jan 21, 2:29 pm, "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote:
> "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in
> messagenews:gl7pc2$93i$8@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
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> > Flydive wrote innews:4977401d$1_7@news.bluewin.ch:
>
> >> the.sar...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Jan 20, 3:51 pm, Pos...@newsgroups.com wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:28:27 -0800 (PST), the.sar...@gmail.com
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> Where on the checklist is the instruction to flip this switch?
> >>>> The manual states:
>
> >>>> At 2000 ft
>
> >>>> CABIN PRESS MODE SEL.............................Check AUTO
> >>>> ENG 1 & 2 BLEED, APU BLEED.......................OFF
> >>>> P/B DITCHING.....................................ON
> >>>> P/A............................................."TOUCHDOWN IN ONE
> >>>> MINUTE" Aim for an impact with an 11 body angle and minimum ROD.
>
> >>>> Poster
>
> >>> However if you're also working an inflight engine unstart which takes
> >>> precedence? Clarification: two engine unstart w/inflight emergency.
> >>> Quite a bit different from a situation that begins at cruise altitude
> >>> or with only *one* emergency rather than a sequence of events. As a
> >>> PAX I would rather know that the crew are concentrating on landing
> >>> the aircraft (ditching) as gently as possible.
>
> >>> That silly switch won't do a thing to save the buoyancy if the
> >>> fuselage is fractured by a rough ditching...a point one everyone
> >>> seems to miss.
>
> >>> I would hazard (grin) a guess that the final review will show them to
> >>> have maintained situational awareness with the concomitant priority
> >>> management.
>
> >> Again, there are 2 pilots in the cockpit, only one is steering the
> >> aircraft. If the captain was flying the aircraft, what was the copilot
> >> doing in those 7-8 minutes if he was not going through the emergency
> >> checklist? What the use of a perfect water landing if then the
> >> aircraft quickly fill with water because the ditching checklist has
> >> not been done?
>
> > There were dozens of things he would be doing. One, determining waht the
> > problem was.
> > Then, dealing with the immediate problem, an engine failure. Immediate
> > relight attempt. Probably the APU was fired up to assist in the relight.
> > as they would have been too slow for a windmill start.
> > Then a quick call to ATC and probalby a couple of nav selections for the
> > captain to look for a runway they could plunk it on.Then back to the
> > relight drill. We're taught to keep trying that to the bitter end, BTW.
> > They take a minute or so so he wouldn't have had time for more than one
> > or two, and that would have been after the APU had fired up, say at
> > abotu 1200'. A couple of calls to the cabin would have been tossed in
> > their somewhere as well.
> > The act of picking up the book and finding the ditching checklist would
> > have taken a good 20-30 seconds...Time they simply did not have.
> > And this scenario is not done in the sim, so there would have been no
> > trigger for it. BTW, I'm beign generous with the actions they may or may
> > not have accomplished in the time they had. But all of them would come
> > ahead of doing a "nice to do " ditching checklist.
>
> > Bertie
>
> save the bed time story, you're starting to rattle more than Dudley.
Speaking of rattle how's your syphilitic cough doing these days?
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