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From: BtB@BB.not.aaaaaaa
"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in
news:CCbel.4458$k57.4411@newsfe09.iad:
>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
> news:gl87p5$csu$2@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
>> "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in news:n9Ndl.8$IT.2@newsfe04.iad:
>>
>>>
>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
>>> news:gl7pc2$93i$8@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
>>>> Flydive wrote in
>>>> news:4977401d$1_7@news.bluewin.ch:
>>>>
>>>>> the.sargon@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Jan 20, 3:51 pm, Pos...@newsgroups.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:28:27 -0800 (PST), the.sar...@gmail.com
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Where on the checklist is the instruction to flip this switch?
>>>>>>> The manual states:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At 2000 ft
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CABIN PRESS MODE SEL.............................Check AUTO
>>>>>>> ENG 1 & 2 BLEED, APU BLEED.......................OFF
>>>>>>> P/B DITCHING.....................................ON
>>>>>>> P/A............................................."TOUCHDOWN IN
>>>>>>> ONE MINUTE" Aim for an impact with an 11° body angle and minimum
>>>>>>> ROD.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Poster
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However if you're also working an inflight engine unstart which
>>>>>> takes precedence? Clarification: two engine unstart w/inflight
>>>>>> emergency. Quite a bit different from a situation that begins at
>>>>>> cruise altitude or with only *one* emergency rather than a
>>>>>> sequence of events. As a PAX I would rather know that the crew
>>>>>> are concentrating on landing the aircraft (ditching) as gently as
>>>>>> possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That silly switch won't do a thing to save the buoyancy if the
>>>>>> fuselage is fractured by a rough ditching...a point one everyone
>>>>>> seems to miss.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would hazard (grin) a guess that the final review will show
>>>>>> them to have maintained situational awareness with the
>>>>>> concomitant priority management.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, there are 2 pilots in the cockpit, only one is steering the
>>>>> aircraft. If the captain was flying the aircraft, what was the
>>>>> copilot doing in those 7-8 minutes if he was not going through the
>>>>> emergency checklist? What the use of a perfect water landing if
>>>>> then the aircraft quickly fill with water because the ditching
>>>>> checklist has not been done?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There were dozens of things he would be doing. One, determining
>>>> waht the problem was.
>>>> Then, dealing with the immediate problem, an engine failure.
>>>> Immediate relight attempt. Probably the APU was fired up to assist
>>>> in the relight. as they would have been too slow for a windmill
>>>> start. Then a quick call to ATC and probalby a couple of nav
>>>> selections for the captain to look for a runway they could plunk it
>>>> on.Then back to the relight drill. We're taught to keep trying that
>>>> to the bitter end, BTW. They take a minute or so so he wouldn't
>>>> have had time for more than one or two, and that would have been
>>>> after the APU had fired up, say at abotu 1200'. A couple of calls
>>>> to the cabin would have been tossed in their somewhere as well.
>>>> The act of picking up the book and finding the ditching checklist
>>>> would have taken a good 20-30 seconds...Time they simply did not
>>>> have. And this scenario is not done in the sim, so there would have
>>>> been no trigger for it. BTW, I'm beign generous with the actions
>>>> they may or may not have accomplished in the time they had. But all
>>>> of them would come ahead of doing a "nice to do " ditching
>>>> checklist.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>>
>>> save the bed time story, you're starting to rattle more than Dudley.
>>>
>>
>> Yeh, right wannabe boi.
>>
>> Bertie
>
>
> Really, you're beginning to talk more shit than a Jap radio.
Well, any radio is going to talk shit in OKie, wannabe boi.
Bertie
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