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   "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in news:DCbel.4461$k57.790@newsfe09.iad:   
      
   >   
   > "Bertie the Bunyip"  wrote in message   
   > news:gl83hq$ogi$2@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...   
   >> Flydive  wrote in news:4977884c$1_3   
   @news.bluewin.ch:   
   >>   
   >>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> There were dozens of things he would be doing. One, determining   
   waht   
   >>>> the problem was.   
   >>>> Then, dealing with the immediate problem, an engine failure.   
   >>>> Immediate relight attempt. Probably the APU was fired up to assist   
   in   
   >>>> the relight. as they would have been too slow for a windmill start.   
   >>>> Then a quick call to ATC and probalby a couple of nav selections   
   for   
   >>>> the captain to look for a runway they could plunk it on.Then back   
   to   
   >>>> the relight drill. We're taught to keep trying that to the bitter   
   >>>> end, BTW. They take a minute or so so he wouldn't have had time for   
   >>>> more than one or two, and that would have been after the APU had   
   >>>> fired up, say at abotu 1200'.  A couple of calls to the cabin would   
   >>>> have been tossed in their somewhere as well.   
   >>>> The act of picking up the book and finding the ditching checklist   
   >>>> would have taken a good 20-30 seconds...Time they simply did not   
   >>>> have. And this scenario is not done in the sim, so there would have   
   >>>> been no trigger for it. BTW, I'm beign generous with the actions   
   they   
   >>>> may or may not have accomplished in the time they had. But all of   
   >>>> them would come ahead of doing a "nice to do " ditching checklist.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Bertie   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> The problem was  multiple bird strikes, with most probably   
   >>> catastrophic engine failure, I don't think you are going to try a   
   >>> relight in that situation.   
   >>> Do not know who did the ATC call, but that can be handled by the   
   >>> flying pilot.   
   >>> There was no runway to look for, once they decided that TEB was too   
   >>> far, and it seems that the decision to ditch was taken quite   
   quickly,   
   >>> so no really nav selections.   
   >>> Once they decided to ditch because they figured that the engine   
   would   
   >>> not be restarted, then no more relight attempt.   
   >>> If as you say they were going through the relight procedure, they   
   >>> would already had the book in their hands, no need to pick it up,   
   just   
   >>> had to find the right procedure.   
   >>> I do not know about the Airbus, but in a lot of aircraft ditching is   
   >>> considered an emergency, once you decided to ditch that is the   
   >>> emergency procedure you are following.   
   >>>   
   >>> Again, maybe the Airbus is different, but for example on my aircraft   
   >>> the ditch switch does more than "sealing" fuselage, it does:   
   >>> -depressurizes the cabin (so you can open the doors)   
   >>> -Shuts down the packs (so no risk of pressurization   
   >>> -closes the outflow valves (so no water can get in.   
   >>   
   >> Nope, it just closes the holes in the belly.   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>> Check list also calls for pulling the APU and engines fire handles,   
   >>> you probably don't want to ditch with APU running (or engine you are   
   >>> still trying to relight)   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> Well, maybe you should go and drive your airplane into the hudson and   
   >> show em how it's done.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Bertie   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >   
   > Maybe you should learn to fly something other than your desk.   
   >   
      
   I have Maxie...   
      
      
   Bertie   
      
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