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   From: BtB@BB.not.aaaaaaa   
      
   "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in news:DCbel.4460$k57.1851   
   @newsfe09.iad:   
      
   >   
   > "Bertie the Bunyip"  wrote in message   
   > news:glb3ot$2dl$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...   
   >> the.sargon@gmail.com wrote in   
   >> news:183326cc-31b8-4293-b7f0-   
   0abbdab9753f@r22g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:   
   >>   
   >>> On Jan 21, 2:29 pm, "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote:   
   >>>> "Bertie the Bunyip"  wrote in   
   >>>> messagenews:gl7pc2$93i   
   >>> $8@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> > Flydive  wrote   
   >>>> > innews:4977401d$1_7@news.bluewin.ch:   
   >>>>   
   >>>> >> the.sar...@gmail.com wrote:   
   >>>> >>> On Jan 20, 3:51 pm, Pos...@newsgroups.com wrote:   
   >>>> >>>> On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:28:27 -0800 (PST), the.sar...@gmail.com   
   >>>> >>>> wrote:   
   >>>> >>>>> Where on the checklist is the instruction to flip this   
   switch?   
   >>>> >>>> The manual states:   
   >>>>   
   >>>> >>>> At 2000 ft   
   >>>>   
   >>>> >>>> CABIN PRESS MODE SEL.............................Check AUTO   
   >>>> >>>> ENG 1 & 2 BLEED, APU BLEED.......................OFF   
   >>>> >>>> P/B DITCHING.....................................ON   
   >>>> >>>> P/A............................................."TOUCHDOWN IN   
   >>>> >>>> ONE MINUTE" Aim for an impact with an 11 body angle and   
   minimum   
   >>>> >>>> ROD.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> >>>> Poster   
   >>>>   
   >>>> >>> However if you're also working an inflight engine unstart which   
   >>>> >>> takes precedence? Clarification: two engine unstart w/inflight   
   >>>> >>> emergency   
   >>> .   
   >>>> >>> Quite a bit different from a situation that begins at cruise   
   >>>> >>> altitude or with only *one* emergency rather than a sequence of   
   >>>> >>> events. As   
   >>> a   
   >>>> >>> PAX I would rather know that the crew are concentrating on   
   >>>> >>> landing the aircraft (ditching) as gently as possible.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> >>> That silly switch won't do a thing to save the buoyancy if the   
   >>>> >>> fuselage is fractured by a rough ditching...a point one   
   everyone   
   >>>> >>> seems to miss.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> >>> I would hazard (grin) a guess that the final review will show   
   >>>> >>> them to have maintained situational awareness with the   
   >>>> >>> concomitant priority management.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> >> Again, there are 2 pilots in the cockpit, only one is steering   
   the   
   >>>> >> aircraft. If the captain was flying the aircraft, what was the   
   >>>> >> copilot doing in those 7-8 minutes if he was not going through   
   the   
   >>>> >> emergency checklist? What the use of a perfect water landing if   
   >>>> >> then the aircraft quickly fill with water because the ditching   
   >>>> >> checklist has not been done?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> > There were dozens of things he would be doing. One, determining   
   >>>> > waht th   
   >>> e   
   >>>> > problem was.   
   >>>> > Then, dealing with the immediate problem, an engine failure.   
   >>>> > Immediate relight attempt. Probably the APU was fired up to   
   assist   
   >>>> > in the relight   
   >>> .   
   >>>> > as they would have been too slow for a windmill start.   
   >>>> > Then a quick call to ATC and probalby a couple of nav selections   
   >>>> > for th   
   >>> e   
   >>>> > captain to look for a runway they could plunk it on.Then back to   
   >>>> > the relight drill. We're taught to keep trying that to the bitter   
   >>>> > end, BTW. They take a minute or so so he wouldn't have had time   
   for   
   >>>> > more than one or two, and that would have been after the APU had   
   >>>> > fired up, say at abotu 1200'. A couple of calls to the cabin   
   would   
   >>>> > have been tossed i   
   >>> n   
   >>>> > their somewhere as well.   
   >>>> > The act of picking up the book and finding the ditching checklist   
   >>>> > would have taken a good 20-30 seconds...Time they simply did not   
   >>>> > have. And this scenario is not done in the sim, so there would   
   have   
   >>>> > been no trigger for it. BTW, I'm beign generous with the actions   
   >>>> > they may or ma   
   >>> y   
   >>>> > not have accomplished in the time they had. But all of them would   
   >>>> > come ahead of doing a "nice to do " ditching checklist.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> > Bertie   
   >>>>   
   >>>> save the bed time story, you're starting to rattle more than   
   Dudley.   
   >>>   
   >>> Speaking of rattle how's your syphilitic cough doing these days?   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> Ewww.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Bertie   
   >   
   > Bertie the echo puppet.   
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   Maxwell, the zero.   
      
      
   Bertie   
      
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