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   "Bertie the Bunyip"  wrote in message   
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   > "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in   
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   >> "Bertie the Bunyip"  wrote in message   
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   >>> "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in news:n9Ndl.8$IT.2@newsfe04.iad:   
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   >>>> "Bertie the Bunyip"  wrote in message   
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   >>>>> Flydive  wrote in   
   >>>>> news:4977401d$1_7@news.bluewin.ch:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> the.sargon@gmail.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On Jan 20, 3:51 pm, Pos...@newsgroups.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:28:27 -0800 (PST), the.sar...@gmail.com   
   >>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> Where on the checklist is the instruction to flip this switch?   
   >>>>>>>> The manual states:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> At 2000 ft   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> CABIN PRESS MODE SEL.............................Check AUTO   
   >>>>>>>> ENG 1 & 2 BLEED, APU BLEED.......................OFF   
   >>>>>>>> P/B DITCHING.....................................ON   
   >>>>>>>> P/A............................................."TOUCHDOWN IN   
   >>>>>>>> ONE MINUTE" Aim for an impact with an 11° body angle and minimum   
   >>>>>>>> ROD.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Poster   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> However if you're also working an inflight engine unstart which   
   >>>>>>> takes precedence?  Clarification: two engine unstart w/inflight   
   >>>>>>> emergency. Quite a bit different from a situation that begins at   
   >>>>>>> cruise altitude or with only *one* emergency rather than a   
   >>>>>>> sequence of events.  As a PAX I would rather know that the crew   
   >>>>>>> are concentrating on landing the aircraft (ditching) as gently as   
   >>>>>>> possible.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> That silly switch won't do a thing to save the buoyancy if the   
   >>>>>>> fuselage is fractured by a rough ditching...a point one everyone   
   >>>>>>> seems to miss.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> I would hazard (grin) a guess that the final review will show   
   >>>>>>> them to have maintained situational awareness with the   
   >>>>>>> concomitant priority management.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Again, there are 2 pilots in the cockpit, only one is steering the   
   >>>>>> aircraft. If the captain was flying the aircraft, what was the   
   >>>>>> copilot doing in those 7-8 minutes if he was not going through the   
   >>>>>> emergency checklist? What the use of a perfect water landing if   
   >>>>>> then the aircraft quickly fill with water because the ditching   
   >>>>>> checklist has not been done?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> There were dozens of things he would be doing. One, determining   
   >>>>> waht the problem was.   
   >>>>> Then, dealing with the immediate problem, an engine failure.   
   >>>>> Immediate relight attempt. Probably the APU was fired up to assist   
   >>>>> in the relight. as they would have been too slow for a windmill   
   >>>>> start. Then a quick call to ATC and probalby a couple of nav   
   >>>>> selections for the captain to look for a runway they could plunk it   
   >>>>> on.Then back to the relight drill. We're taught to keep trying that   
   >>>>> to the bitter end, BTW. They take a minute or so so he wouldn't   
   >>>>> have had time for more than one or two, and that would have been   
   >>>>> after the APU had fired up, say at abotu 1200'.  A couple of calls   
   >>>>> to the cabin would have been tossed in their somewhere as well.   
   >>>>> The act of picking up the book and finding the ditching checklist   
   >>>>> would have taken a good 20-30 seconds...Time they simply did not   
   >>>>> have. And this scenario is not done in the sim, so there would have   
   >>>>> been no trigger for it. BTW, I'm beign generous with the actions   
   >>>>> they may or may not have accomplished in the time they had. But all   
   >>>>> of them would come ahead of doing a "nice to do " ditching   
   >>>>> checklist.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Bertie   
   >>>>   
   >>>> save the bed time story, you're starting to rattle more than Dudley.   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Yeh, right wannabe boi.   
   >>>   
   >>> Bertie   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Really, you're beginning to talk more shit than a Jap radio.   
   >   
   > Well, any radio is going to talk shit in OKie, wannabe boi.   
   > Bertie   
      
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