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   From: BtB@BB.not.aaaaaaa   
      
   "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in news:5OGel.63683$1k1.25544   
   @newsfe14.iad:   
      
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   > "Bertie the Bunyip"  wrote in message   
   > news:glbgt1$f2t$5@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...   
   >> "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in   
   >> news:CCbel.4458$k57.4411@newsfe09.iad:   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>> "Bertie the Bunyip"  wrote in message   
   >>> news:gl87p5$csu$2@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...   
   >>>> "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in news:n9Ndl.8$IT.2@newsfe04.iad:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip"  wrote in message   
   >>>>> news:gl7pc2$93i$8@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...   
   >>>>>> Flydive  wrote in   
   >>>>>> news:4977401d$1_7@news.bluewin.ch:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> the.sargon@gmail.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On Jan 20, 3:51 pm, Pos...@newsgroups.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:28:27 -0800 (PST), the.sar...@gmail.com   
   >>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> Where on the checklist is the instruction to flip this   
   switch?   
   >>>>>>>>> The manual states:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> At 2000 ft   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> CABIN PRESS MODE SEL.............................Check AUTO   
   >>>>>>>>> ENG 1 & 2 BLEED, APU BLEED.......................OFF   
   >>>>>>>>> P/B DITCHING.....................................ON   
   >>>>>>>>> P/A............................................."TOUCHDOWN IN   
   >>>>>>>>> ONE MINUTE" Aim for an impact with an 11° body angle and   
   minimum   
   >>>>>>>>> ROD.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Poster   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> However if you're also working an inflight engine unstart which   
   >>>>>>>> takes precedence?  Clarification: two engine unstart w/inflight   
   >>>>>>>> emergency. Quite a bit different from a situation that begins   
   at   
   >>>>>>>> cruise altitude or with only *one* emergency rather than a   
   >>>>>>>> sequence of events.  As a PAX I would rather know that the crew   
   >>>>>>>> are concentrating on landing the aircraft (ditching) as gently   
   as   
   >>>>>>>> possible.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> That silly switch won't do a thing to save the buoyancy if the   
   >>>>>>>> fuselage is fractured by a rough ditching...a point one   
   everyone   
   >>>>>>>> seems to miss.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> I would hazard (grin) a guess that the final review will show   
   >>>>>>>> them to have maintained situational awareness with the   
   >>>>>>>> concomitant priority management.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Again, there are 2 pilots in the cockpit, only one is steering   
   the   
   >>>>>>> aircraft. If the captain was flying the aircraft, what was the   
   >>>>>>> copilot doing in those 7-8 minutes if he was not going through   
   the   
   >>>>>>> emergency checklist? What the use of a perfect water landing if   
   >>>>>>> then the aircraft quickly fill with water because the ditching   
   >>>>>>> checklist has not been done?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> There were dozens of things he would be doing. One, determining   
   >>>>>> waht the problem was.   
   >>>>>> Then, dealing with the immediate problem, an engine failure.   
   >>>>>> Immediate relight attempt. Probably the APU was fired up to   
   assist   
   >>>>>> in the relight. as they would have been too slow for a windmill   
   >>>>>> start. Then a quick call to ATC and probalby a couple of nav   
   >>>>>> selections for the captain to look for a runway they could plunk   
   it   
   >>>>>> on.Then back to the relight drill. We're taught to keep trying   
   that   
   >>>>>> to the bitter end, BTW. They take a minute or so so he wouldn't   
   >>>>>> have had time for more than one or two, and that would have been   
   >>>>>> after the APU had fired up, say at abotu 1200'.  A couple of   
   calls   
   >>>>>> to the cabin would have been tossed in their somewhere as well.   
   >>>>>> The act of picking up the book and finding the ditching checklist   
   >>>>>> would have taken a good 20-30 seconds...Time they simply did not   
   >>>>>> have. And this scenario is not done in the sim, so there would   
   have   
   >>>>>> been no trigger for it. BTW, I'm beign generous with the actions   
   >>>>>> they may or may not have accomplished in the time they had. But   
   all   
   >>>>>> of them would come ahead of doing a "nice to do " ditching   
   >>>>>> checklist.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Bertie   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> save the bed time story, you're starting to rattle more than   
   Dudley.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Yeh, right wannabe boi.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Bertie   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Really, you're beginning to talk more shit than a Jap radio.   
   >>   
   >> Well, any radio is going to talk shit in OKie, wannabe boi.   
   >> Bertie   
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