XPost: alt.fan.bertie-the-bunyip, rec.aviation.piloting
From: BtB@BB.not.aaaaaaa
§ñühw¤£f wrote in news:KKSdnSVXEOL-
FuHUnZ2dnUVZ_ofinZ2d@centurytel.net:
> Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming pile
> of:
>
>>§ñühw¤£f wrote in
>>news:kcednUrkk7gzpebUnZ2dnUVZ_tninZ2d@centurytel.net:
>>
>>> Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming pile
>>> of:
>>>
>>>>§ñühw¤£f wrote in
>>>>news:gldkcj$k5s$1@news.motzarella.org:
>>>>
>>>>> In message , Bertie
> the
>>>>> Bunyip wrote:
>>>>>> §ñühw¤£f wrote in news:l_WdnfjqXdGNd-
>>>>>> TUnZ2dnUVZ_hoAAAAA@centurytel.net:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile
>>>>>> > of<6v5in4p1opngm90f6h5at1sm69rnmqmkkj@4ax.com>:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:00:35 +0000 (UTC), in alt.usenet.kooks,
>>>>>> >>Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>§ñühw¤£f wrote in
>>>>>> >>>news:BrOdnXm6qpDgCeXUnZ2dnUVZ_jGdnZ2d@centurytel.net:
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a
> steaming
>>>>>> >>>> pile of:
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>§ñühw¤£f wrote in
>>>>>> >>>>>news:gl87r1$19r$1@news.motzarella.org:
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> In message ,
> Bob
>>>>>> > Officer
>>>>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:31:50 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks,
>>>>>> > §ñühw¤£f
>>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >Bob Officer pinched out a
> steaming
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >pile of:
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:31:29 -0600, in
> alt.usenet.kooks,
>>>>>> > §ñühw¤£f
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>Bob Officer pinched out a
>>> steaming
>>>>>> > pile
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>of<8itan4pr15rgqgvuqq02mhdh925vfe7ifj@4ax.com>:
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:20:16 +0000 (UTC), in
>>>>>> > alt.usenet.kooks,
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >Bertie
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>the Bunyip wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>§ñühw¤£f wrote in
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>news:t96dnQfJw-
> G8BunUnZ2dnUVZ_sninZ2d@centurytel.net:
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Bertie the Bunyip pinched out
> a
>>>>>> >>>> steaming
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >pile
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> of:
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>"Scott M. Kozel" wrote in
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>news:gkvte8$eth$1 @news.motzarella.org:
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> §ñühw¤£f wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I propose a technological solution to the
> problem
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>> > bird
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>strikes:
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> turboprops.
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lets return to the good old days pre-jet
> engines.
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well ... while the L-188 Lockheed Electra
> example
>>> is
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> a
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >turboprop,
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> the
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> above poster apparently didn't realize that a
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> turboprop engine
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>has a
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> jet
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> engine.
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Discuss.
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The large piston engines were incredibly
> complex,
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and generally
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> could
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> drive airliners at only about half the speed of
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> those
>>>>>> > with
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>pure
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> jet
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> engines.
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>yes, but they were so much more fun
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Bertie
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Ok ok...totally *genius* idea: dirigibles.
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>Excellent. I'll sign on for a course.
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Yeah, think on that for a while.
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Its either that or the locomotive, chaps.
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>Only if it's a real one. i.e. Steam
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>No! Hell no!
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>And what pray tell is wrong with steam?
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>Steam locomotives? Everything.
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> >Well man spit it out! Lets not play guessing games here!
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> Have you ever been on a working steam locomotive?
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> Not while its running.
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> They are very dirty (producing soot and ash. Very noisy.
>>>>>> > (usually
>>>>>> >>>>>>> about 90-105 dB. They get louder under full power)
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> Yeap. Coal fired mostly.
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> Most all locomotive engineers from the steam era were
> deaf.
>>>>>> >>>>>>> and suffered breathing problems.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> My granpa was one :)
>>>>>> >>>>>> Deaf as hell but no breathing problems...he didnt know who
>>> the
>>>>>> > fuck
>>>>>> >>>> I
>>>>>> >>>>>> was later since he was all alzheimersy & stuff.
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> Most all locomotive engineers from the diesel era still
>>>>>> >>>>>>> suffer hearing loss. Most all operating employees for
>>>>>> >>>>>>> railroads with
>>>>>> > more
>>>>>> >>>>>>> than 10 years of service have some hearing loss. About
> ten
>>>>>> >>>>>>> years
>>>>>> >>>> ago
>>>>>> >>>>>>> the railroads started losing lawsuits over hearing losses
>>> and
>>>>>> >>>> started
>>>>>> >>>>>>> a hearing conservation program. Too bad it was 27 years
> too
>>>>>> > late.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> YEah...back in the day it was a macho job and you didnt
> piss
>>> &
>>>>>> > moan
>>>>>> >>>>>> about the conditions.
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> Biggest complaints from crews which still use those 1st
> and
>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2nd generation locomotives, noise and exhaust fumes in
> the
>>>>>> >>>>>>> cab.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> Ever seen a track weasel?
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
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